Since joining the forum I have received two distinct types of "critique". One type can be cranky, is always shooting from the hip, no holds barred, knee jerk, I like it or I hate it. This is not helpful. That sort of response (its not a critique) is likely to be taken personally: I am a good person; I am not a good person. It does not promote growth, it does not help the OP in any way and Im not sure what it does for the person posting the critique perhaps it makes them feel better about their own work or even themselves. In any case, this review is no good to me. The second type is why I even began posting images here. I need to get better. I enjoy photography, but I feel a certain urgency to know more and be able to create something Im proud of in addition to having others admire it. But the admiration of my customers or my peers is not why I am a photographer. I do this first and foremost for the love of the medium. Although I do not do darkroom work any more, the smell of chemicals is in my blood, I love it. The digital age has brought me new controls and the ability to create all manner of images, some good and some not so much, but I am driven to improve my skills always. I know I am not alone. I am a non posting member of several other forums; none of them are as chatty as this one. No games. Little or no double entendre and certainly no potty jokes to take up band width. There are very few or no tantrums. Banning seems to be reserved for true spammers and the wholesale closing of threads by the moderator because they want a discussion to stop well just doesnt seem to happen. The forum is for adults, after all. If you want a playground in which this type of activity is nourished then you must accept those engaging in that activity. If you want a place to learn all manner of photographic techniques and be inspired by others executing those techniques then we need to get on with it. Good critique can be a tutorial in itself. Some of us are really not sure how to give a good one. I know there are those out there who cringe every time they see another OOF baby or another animal with no feet, ears or tail or an under or over exposed or over saturated face that the OP defends as well, art. They and I need to be educated. Of course that does not mean they or I will learn. Education is not passive. It takes a willing recipient. Not just willing learning it is an aggressive activity. Sometimes the OP will be so sure of an images value and quality that it is posted not for critique but for the roar of the crowd, the one in their own head. This is not me. I want the objective critique one might receive if they were in a classroom situation. At this point you are probably asking yourself why the hell dont I just go find what Im looking for in another place because this isnt the place for me. Well, thats the next step. Before I make that decision, I am asking those educators, those knowledgeable photographers, how to give a good critique. I know there must be objective elements and Id like to know what they are. Start with the technical issues and move to the emotional, the artistry of the image. Because art is personal, how can we critique it? How does one critique an image that one hates for no other reason than a dislike for the subject? I know it would be critiqued if we were all in a classroom, lets learn it here. We can turn the bus away from the childrens playground into an adult learning center if we want to. When I say this I do not mean chronological adulthood. There is a 14 year old regular contributor here whose parents must be very proud, I know I would be. I am speaking about the many so-called adults who must have huge problems navigating the world's communities for their immaturity, their bullying nature, their disregard for simple common courtesies and for their total inability to communicate. Lets be examples to them, lets not join them. I would add that currently there is a thread which is for serious critique so if you want one instead of a mindless attaboy/girl then post your image link here: http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/s...d.php?t=122391 and we all can practice our critiquing skills it will make us better photographers.