I'm still kicking around with Elements 4. I was thinking of getting the latest version of Elements, but ran across CS4 on EBay. There are numerous examples in the 300$ range. They claim 'brand new, not student version, not OEM', etc. They also state there is a product key. Anybody know the true story behind them? If they are not a scam, I would be interested. The few ads I looked at said no return, will replace the disc if there is a problem.