To Increase Ram Or Not To Increase Ram....

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  1. dxqcanada

    dxqcanada Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    Hmm, I think the Nvidia control panel option is for 3D ... so my suggestion there would not apply.


     
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    I thought this thread was going to be about expanding a sheep farm.

    RAM may not speed things up, but it would help running additional apps at the same time. For example, my cheap@$$-no-memory laptop will run Chrome and (Lightroom or Photoshop) but has a problem with all three at the same time. My last panorama had to be assembled in stages because it will only process a few of these larger D750 images at a time.
     
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    You should be able to buy another 8G of RAM for $50. or under, it should speed it up a little.

    I just put 8G of RAM on top of 8G of existing RAM in two lenovos it helped quite a bit. cost about $40. each took. 10 mins to install.
     
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    My understanding of PS and LR was they are both heavily CPU dependant. If I remember correctly LR only uses the GFX card for library previews and PS for some filters though you will need a GFX card for some tools to work, an entry level card should be enough to run these programs.

    Photoshop does eat RAM though, so the more you have the better, bearing in mind that you would probably see a bigger speed increase with a slightly better processor and slightly less RAM than a slightly worse processor and slightly more RAM. 8GB is probably the minimum you'd want just now though so an upgrade to 16GB would not be a bad choice.

    Processor looks like it's getting on a bit though. PS scales to about 4 cores but drops off sharply from there. A faster 4 core processor and 16-32GB of RAM is probably where you'd really see a significant speed increase so IMO the best option is to upgrade the whole system.
     
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    I checked the intel site for updates on the HD 6000 drivers but not the other. Hmmm need to research that.

    I was hoping mine had (1) 8gb stick, unfortunately I opened the back to find (2) single slots with 4 gb each :angry: So an upgrade with 2 8 gig sticks is about $120 to $150 depending on the mfg.

    LR6 uses graphics acceleration on supported cards in the develop module only. The speed is significant on highly edited images when using adjustment brushes. Requires a compatible card running 64 bit in windows, and OpenGL 3.3 (or later) -capable video adapter for GPU-related functionality. When LR opens it checks your card in my case I get this "Check OpenGL Support: failed", and it automatically defaults to not use graphics acceleration.
     
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    astroNikon 'ya all Bananas I tell 'ya Supporting Member

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    I have a Dell Inspiron 15. I upped the memory to 12gb and noticed an improvement.
    But it also depends upon what else is running. I make sure antivirus is mostly disabled when I do LR. I store my photos and library on an external drive.

    But since I have upgraded to a much faster desktop computer with a graphics card and use the laptop only rarely now for LR.
     
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    I have a desktop that I rarely use as travel makes it difficult
     
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    I don't think I would spend that much on RAM. I would probably start looking at an upgrade.
     
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    astroNikon 'ya all Bananas I tell 'ya Supporting Member

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    I was looking at upgrading to this new laptop. I-7 processor, 12 GB ram, etc for $800 (on sale) ==> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-i...b-hard-drive-era-gray/6083546.p?skuId=6083546

    the desktop is my kids computer mostly. I sometimes get to sneak on it.
     
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    It's easy to tell if you're out of ram.
     
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    Yeah I know, the only reason I was looking was the fact that I allocated 60% to LR which can create problems with running other applications at the same time.
     
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    Your best option is to buy a better laptop...IF you can tolerate Windows 10! <blaaaahhhhhhhh!> A faster dual processor, or even a quad processor will work wonders in Lightroom and Photoshop Elements. So will more RAM. The best deals will be in January, when they're trying to close out discontinued models for a song. About 18 months ago, I picked up a surprisingly fast 2.2 ghz dual processor ASUS laptop for a friend that I kept watching all laptop prices online at Walmart for a couple of weeks. Finally, what was a $600+ computer was $175. I had to tell the clerk their computer says they have 4 of them. None were out on the floor, they were in the back room.

    Plan B is to upgrade what you have. And yes, adding RAM will do the job. BUT... you will be REPLACING the two 4gb sticks with two 8gb sticks. I don't think there's 4 slots in any laptop! I'd also recommend you replace the hard drive with a SSD (Solid State Drive).

    One of the things I noticed about Lightroom 5.7 on my Win 64 bit overclocked 8 processor computer is that the more pictures you are editing in a catalog, the slower it gets. It never modifies the original image. What it does is it keeps a list of changes you made, 'single file', for each image. So, while editing image #2, every change gets recorded 'at the end of the file' of all the changes already made to the entire set of images. As a former mainframe programmer, I'm surprised they don't keep a link-list for each image. But nooooo! It acts as if it is one giant file and each new change (click) forces it to read from the start to the end of the giant list and then plop the new change at the end of the list...sort of like building a stone walkway and the pile of stones is behind you. You have to walk along every previously-laid stone to lay the next one. Even with my screaming processor, I limit my editing to about 150 images, making 10-15 adjustments to each (some en-mass/sync/previous) I can see the wait time before it's done and I get control back getting longer and longer. Oh...and when exporting, it uses all 8 processors according to my hardware monitor program.

    Replacing your hard drive with an SSD will also speed up things noticeably, regardless of whether or not you added RAM. I put all of Windows files and Lightroom and its temporary files on SSD. The big one is the page file. When RAM gets filled and you open the next picture, there's no other choice than to 'swap out' one or more 'not recently accessed' pictures/RAM to SSD to make room for the next one in RAM. And when you access one of the swapped out pix, it will first roll something else out and swap in the one you wanted. I've put SSDs in my desktop and laptop and it's money well spent!

    Oh...and for best performance, don't be running any other applications concurrently.
     

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