I love some of the creative ring shots I see. Cindy, you have a couple of beautiful examples. Is anyone here actually taking the time to shoot these with a macro? Or are you just getting as close as you can with something like the 70-200 and cropping? I'm asking, because most of them have a very shallow dof. The bokeh looks too natural to be post? If you are doing these with a macro...when? After the ceremony? And when do you ask them to remove their rings? I've done a few now that didn't want to remove their rings. They just wanted the traditional hand over hand type shot with their rings on. If that's what they want, I respect that. But I think they'd like the more creative shots too.