When will a given camera be obsolete?

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  1. SCraig

    SCraig Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    Obsolescence is a state of mind in my opinion. As long as something still does what I want it do do it isn't obsolete to me. This tends to correspond with Wikipedia's definition of obsolescence:

    Obsolescence is the state of being which occurs when an object, service, or practice is no longer wanted even though it may still be in good working order.


     
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  2. 480sparky

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    No... I am obsolete... not my gear!
     
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    Something is obsolete if it's not broken yet it can not be used.
     
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    A camera is called a camera because it can take pictures. The moment a camera loses that ability and it cannot be restored its objectively obsolete.

    Subjectively obsolete is a camera if you think you are better off with another model. But fortunately others might disagree. Thats why theres a used market.



    Why, if thats the case, the Sony 54x40.5mm 100 Megapixel Sensor has clearly made all other cameras obsolete.

    I hope everybody here has the money for a Hasselblad H6D-100c and a couple Hasselblad HCD lenses. Or the Phase One/Mamiya/Schneider Optics alternatives. For who wants to be obsolete ? Even less with photography !
     
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    When the camera starts to limits your creativity. Or well, it just stops working.

    Are old 35mm film cameras obsolete? heck no! They still make 35mm film today!

    You want something that is really obsolete? Checking out the Sony Mavica where the images are recorded on a floppy disk. That is obsolete because no one has/uses a dang floppy drive anymore!
     
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    Lol

    I like what a lot of you guys have said about it being obsolete when your creativity is limited or you can no longer do what you want with it. I feel that in some ways I've hit that point with the D7k and in other ways I haven't. Low light performance sucks massive rocks, but overall the camera still offers pretty sharp shots with the right lenses. That said, it would be really nice to have that extra "wiggle room" a higher-rez sensor would provide.
     
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    I used my D7000 so much that the buttons literally started falling off. Haha.

    I thought the low-light performance was really good.
     
  8. Derrel

    Derrel Mr. Rain Cloud

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    Agreed on this idea, that one's camera can limit creativity or potential images that can be made. And that newer, higher-resolution sensor can offer you wiggle room (and more). I've gone from the D1, to the D1h, to the D70, D2x, and D3x in Nikon branded cameras, and had Fuji S1, S2, S5 d-slrs, and Canon 20D and Canon 5D Classic. We have advanced a long, long ways in the 18 years since the Nikon D1 was released in late 1998.

    The reallllllllly major breakthrough was the shift from a camera like the Canon 5D and its somewhat narrow dynamic range, and the D3x with like 13.7 EV total dynamic range, and just a MUCH,much,much better sensor, and better electronics. Moving from 10.5 total range to 13.7 was a huuuuuge difference. And the ability to recover over-exposure with the Sony-made sensor was a game-changer.

    Today? The D600, D750, D810, all of the "new-generation" Sony FX sized sensors offer astounding quality in 35mm-sized cameras. And the D7200: the sensor shows almost no pattern noise in the dark areas when a 5-Stop under-exposed raw image is brightened up in software. That's the major difference that I can see between the D7100, and the D7200: the newest sensors are basically ISO invariant. This is a major,major,major shift in the new Sony, Nikon, and Pentax cameras: you can now under-expose to a huge degree, to build shutter speed, or to get more DOF, or to protect briliant highlights--and then, you can "lift the shadows" to a huuuuuge level, and not have a ruined image. This. Is.The. Biggest. Advance. Of. The . Last. Decade. Achieving wide,wide scene DR through ISO invariance due to better sensors, and better in-camera electronics, and better signal processing.

    This means that the Canon 5D Mark III loses real DR to a Nikon D610 or D750, or to a Sony A7r series camera. Nikon D750 vs Canon EOS 5D Mark III | DxOMark

    Compare the 5D Mark III with 11.7 maximum EV to 14.5 EV to the D750. WHO wants to throw away almost three, full EV?

    I dug out the Nikon D1 last year. Ugggggh. Wow. HORRIBLE dynamic range. Awful. Low-res images, 2.7 MP. Weird color response. Truly, not a camera I want to use.
     
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  9. nerwin

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    Still though, there are people on Flickr actively taking and sharing photos from the D1 and some of the photos are beautiful. In some ways, the D1 still outperforms today's smartphones.
     
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    Trust me...the D1 has the worst color and DR of any d-slr made since....2002. it's NOT good, and the color space is like TV 1953...does not conform to any recognixed color space, cannot handle reds or pinks very well at all (so lips and flowers look way off). Sure...it can use Nikon lenses, but it is an AWFUL imager compared to a D610...weak color, low DR, limited ISO, low razz, weak battery life. On Flickr, with processing? Sure! IN real life? Not so much...

    iPhone 4 is better.

    Compared to the D2x or the D3x, the original D1 is awful. Custom functions? 28 or 29 choices, all in Numbers, with A-B or A-B-C choices, no languages! You need to know how to set it up using a book, or a cheat sheet.

    Sure, some of the photos can be beautiful, with processing. But it is a 2.7 MP camera. My 2004 Canon PowerShot G4 is better. My 2009 Nikon Coolpix S570 has 12 million pixel res, and wider DR and richer color.

    Be aware: EVERY single file out of the original D1 needs processing, and if the sun is in the frame...forget it...it blows highlights like a ba***ard. VERY fast, very awfully....it is terrible on DR, and highlight handling. It's a cranky camera in actual use. It is a lot like shooting 1980's color slide film. The orignal D1 has a rather narrow, small window of operation; the new Sony-sensor cameras are ALL-window.
     
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    I've been using the same 9 year old camera for portraits (a Canon 5D Classic) for about 6 years now, and have yet to find a situation in which I find my camera to be obsolete. It should be noted however that I don't plan to display my photos on a 50" 4k screen, I don't print much larger than 20", and the clients I have who expect higher resolution images from me include the cost of gear rental in my pay. I often shoot at ISO speeds above ISO 800 with my 5D Classic and noise isn't a problem for me. The dynamic range is great despite the comparisons often made with newer cameras, and I often shoot in low lighting (however since I do portrait work I'm not having to deal with some of the problems that others may face in low light conditions). Oftentimes I feel that many photographers feel that their camera is holding them back when in fact they themselves are lacking the skill in order to use their cameras to their potential, which is a lot higher than what people seem to give credit for older cameras.
     
  12. Solarflare

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    Pfft ISO 800 is nothing to any full frame camera. Except maybe the Canon 5Ds (its resolution already collapses at ISO 800), Nikon D3x (sensor ends at ISO 1600), and the Leica M9/M-E (CCD-Sensor ends at ISO 1250).

    My D750 has given me images at ISO 3200 that look like being taken at ISO 100 ... I have no clue how the camera does that.
     

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