Which 85mm for Nikon?

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  1. OldManJim

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    I have heard of people buying a lens for the bokeh, but to me, auto focus and getting the intended subject in focus trumps background blur as a practical matter.

    Yep - what he said.


     
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    I suppose my original post really should have said

    " accurate auto focus > Bokeh > lens sharpness
     
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    Derrel stated the 1.4 D. One point FOUR D. Not he 1.8D

    The 1.8 af-d does not compare at all
    THe 1.4 af-d is pretty expensive though but well worth it
     
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    I am aware of that. I posted three times before Derrel posted. Jazzie asked for opinions, and I offered mine.

    For the record; I advised the 1.8 G not the 1.8 AF-D.

    The AF-S Nikkor 85mm 1:1.8 G is, and has been, highly recommended by many people as being an excellent lens for the money. I'll grant that the 1.4 may have better bokeh, and if you can afford it, then go for it, by all means! But the 1.8 G still has its supporters.

    Nikon 85mm 1.8G vs 1.4D - Contrast, Sharpness, Bokeh Side by Side Tests: Nikon SLR Lens Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

    85mm 1.4D vs. 85mm 1.8G? | Nikon 85mm Users Group | Flickr

    85mm Decision Time - 1.8g or 1.4d

    http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=96495.0

    85mm 1.8G v 85mm 1.4D (AF Speed & sharpness)

    Nikon 85mm Comparison

    Nikon 85mm 1.8G vs 1.8D vs 1.4D – small experiment

    Which Nikon 85mm Lens Is Best For Your Portrait Photography Needs? | Expert photography blogs, tip, techniques, camera reviews - Adorama Learning Center

    http://glamourphotography.co/gear-r...ads-up-review-comparison-of-images-and-bokeh/

    https://dgrin.com/discussion/226125/85mm-focal-length-debate-1-8g-or-1-4d

    Oddly, the 1.8 G gets some pretty good recommendations. And at roughly 1/3 the price of the 1.4 G, I think it is a good choice. I stand by my recommendation.
     
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    For what it’s worth, most reviews have shown the differences in results for the Nikon 1.4G and 1.8G to be pretty negligible if you don’t need the extra 2/3 stop of aperture. I have the 1.8 and it is one of my favorite lenses, both in terms of sharpness as well as creamy bokeh with just a little background separation. A word of warning though - autofocus is not particularly fast when tracking motion, so it is best suited to still subjects, posed or otherwise. You’ll probably figure this out pretty quickly chasing a toddler...
     
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    In tests of the G-series Nikkors, I see VERY little in favor of the f/1.4-G over the less-expensive f/1.8 AF-S G stablemate. In one test of five 85mm lenses, the low-cost f/1.8 AF-S G model was the overall total winner; it is BETTER in some test metrics that the 1.4 G model, by just a bit. Yes. Less-expensive, but as good, or better, on all test metrics in one exhaustive 85mm lens roundup test suite.Look for that on-line if you want to. it has a Sighma 84/1.4 in it, but I think the pre-ART version.

    The 1.4 AF-D was nicknamed The Cream Machine, for its soft, creamy defocused backgrounds nature. But it also has a fair degree of light fall-off at the edges, as well as sharpness fall-off at the wide f/stops toward the edges and corners of the frame, and those two things make it a good portraiture lens for single people, couples, and pets,etc.. it's not the sharpest lens across the frame at wide f/stops; it is not the most-even in illumination across the frame; the 1.4 and 1.8 G-series lenses fill those niches.A f/5.6 the 1.4 AF-D is pretty solid; at f/7.1 and f/8, it is simply stellar as an electronic flash studio flash lens!

    The 1.4 AF-D is part of a trio, the 85mm/1.4,105mm f/2 AF-D D.C.,and 135mm f/2 AF-D D.C. Nikkor lenses. These lenses render things "differently" than newer lenses. The emphasis is on pictorial rendering, and NOT on test-chart sharpness scores and the ability to delineate closely-spced lines on a paper target. The 1.4 AF-D is a "special lens"...in somewhat the same way that Canon's 135/2 L lens is "special".

    The 1.8 G-series is a sharp,crisp,high-contrast lens that is amazing in performance, for $400 or so; the 1.4 G is more expensive, but is not much better, and is in fact, slightly less-good in some test metrics.

    The older 85mm f/1.8 AF and AF-D lenses have a LOT of purple fringing issues on some subject matter, and are, well...clearly second-rate compared to the 1.4 AF-D, or the two G-series 85mm lenses. I had the 1.8 AF, and it was NOT a very good 85mm lens.

    The 85/1.4 Ai-S was nice, but big for its era. I let that go in 1986...too BIG a lens for its era, back when the 85/2 Ai and 85/2 Ai-S were the size of a 50mm f/1.4 or 35mm/2 or 24.2.8 Nikkor, with 52mm threads and a small,short,compact lens barrel. The 85mm/2 Ai or Ai-S are okay; NOT good at f/2, pretty crummy really, better at 2.8, better at f/4. This winter I took the 85/2 Ai-S out during a snowy period and was shocked at how BAD it is at f/2....ugggh.

    TO me, the 1.8 AF-S G, the f-one-point-eight model, seems like the best "value", but the prettiest people-pictue lens is still, the older, less-sharp,more-vignetty,more pleasing, creamier backdrop,, 1.4 AF-D lens. For landscapes, the 1.8 AF-S G is my choice and I am carrying it out today for some fall foliage shots in about 15 minutes.
     
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    My answer is the 1.8/85G which has seen at least 100.000 shots if not more.

    As an addition for IQ without compromise I got the 1.4/105E too.

    Of course the 105 is four times the amount of the 85 and much heavier, so the 85 is more bang for the buck & bulk. I had the 85D 1.8 & 1.4 and the G1.4 too. I did not use the 1.4s much, because they are heavy and it needs a decision to carry them. The 105E always justifies the extra weight. The 1.8G is better than the 1.8D, the 1.4G is better than the 1.4D if you do not need the aperture ring. You cannot go wrong with either.

    The 85mm/1.8G is on the "best lenses ever" list of Mingh Thein and I had and loved it long before I noticed the list exists. Highly recommended.

    Lens review: The Nikon AF-S 85/1.8 G

    The ultimate lens list, at Nov 2016 (part I)
     
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    sell the 150mm 2.8, get the 105mm 1.4E.
     
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    I have both Nikon 85 f1.8G and 85 f1.4G . Both autofocus are horrible when it gets darker compare to my Nikon 24-70. Construction quality of the f1.4 is so much better than the f1.8 version so it should hold up in the field and abuses better. It's also over $1000 more than the 1.8 version. LOL I sold the 1.8 version because I didn't need two, and that I can always stop down if I need to.
     
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    Nope...gotta' keep that 150mm lens, for the focal length and the beautiful bokeh it gives, plus it is small,light, and nimble, whereas the 105-E is fat and heavy. The 150mm has some of the nicest bokeh around, AND it is significantly longer in focal length than the 105...both lenses have cult followings, but I can't agree on ditching a GREAT lens to get another great lens; once you OWN a great lens, you keep it, not sell it to get something else. ADD the 105/E is you think you can handle something that fat and heavy and bulky; the degree of OOF is pretty close between the two lenses though, due to the longer focal length and narrower angle of view the 150mm lens gives.

    Back to the OP's question though: a massive, fat, heavy lens: at times, lenses like that are a net negative, especially when photographing 'regular people', and not model-y types, or loved ones who put up with our Photo Nut status. That's one place where the Sigma ART series lenses fall flat: they are LARGE lenses for their focal length and aperture values...really BIG lenses. At times, a massive lens impairs the photography process; many people freeze up when a massive lens is pointed in their direction, and when photographing those kinds of people, a small and unobtrusive lens is a significant benefit.
     
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    Iirc the 150 Sigma is a Macro lens.

    It makes to sense to exchange a universal and macro with a specialized portrait lens.
     
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    Question: which cameras? AF performace of most lenses changed dramatically with the arrival of the D500/850/5 ... suddenly the 1.4/24 AF tracks and fast
     

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