Would you give up your camera for your safety?

nerwin · May 17, 2017

I live in Vermont, you can literally walk around with a glock with an extended mag and no one will say a word! Haha. I may or may not have done that.

Dashur · May 17, 2017

Thank you for not saying "clip"

tirediron · May 17, 2017

*Ahem* Can we please return to the OPs question folks, which, as I recall had nothing to do with firearms?

Thanks!

The_Traveler · May 17, 2017

This kind of questions always end up with answers from guys who have the excuse to talk about their macho behavior - and, tbh, really sound a bit silly.

The best way to end a fight is to fend off the hostile person and de-escalate, not respond. In too many years of shooting, I have been yelled at a few times and swung on once (by a drunk street person). When the swing missed, he lost interest.

Gary A. · May 17, 2017

tirediron said:
Geezzz... I've had it easy! The worst I can claim is having a cup of coffee (X-Large) thrown over me and my camera a couple of years ago while covering a Wounded Warriors event. Some guy in the back of the room seemed to think I was targeting him (In truth I hadn't even noticed him); he ordered an X-Large coffee with a ton of cream and sugar, walked right up to me (I was by the door), threw/poured it on me and kept walking. The staff were horrified... If it had been a different time and place I would have had "words" with him, but on that occasion I simply ignored it (and smelled like vanilla/hazel-nut for the rest of the day).

You smelling like vanilla/hazel-nut most likely isn't a bad thing.

tirediron · May 17, 2017

Gary A. said:
You smelling like vanilla/hazel-nut most likely isn't a bad thing.

jcdeboever · May 17, 2017

The_Traveler said:
This kind of questions always end up with answers from guys who have the excuse to talk about their macho behavior - and, tbh, really sound a bit silly.

The best way to end a fight is to fend off the hostile person and de-escalate, not respond. In too many years of shooting, I have been yelled at a few times and swung on once (by a drunk street person). When the swing missed, he lost interest.

Unfortunately, things are not always like that. The goal is to be prepared. Sometimes, you literally have no option other than defend yourself. A good example of unpredictable human behavior is when they're intoxicated. Many people, maybe majority, are not trained in the art of defending one's self. I had all my children trained and recommend adults learn as well. Self defense training should be an artistic and disciplinary experience, not one of violence and aggression. Proper training produces harmony, the physical defense is considered a last resort to properly subdue an attack without lethal force.

DarkShadow · May 17, 2017

I had Ospreys yell at me on occasions, been dive bombed by a little chickadee and a few swallows here and there but no one was hurt. If I really felt threatened I would have to whip up a fish or some seeds to smooth things over.

Gary A. · May 17, 2017

I rarely get confronted. I think that having situational awareness, looking/dressing professionally and acting professionally goes a long way in deterring most negative encounters. When shooting on the Streets, these are Gary's recommendations.

Situational Awareness: Know where you are and who's around you. This takes a lot of practice. It isn't rubbernecking, as much as it is peripheral vision. You've all seen those spy movies where the good guy/gal walks into a restaurant and instantly scopes out the room ... sorta like that, as you walk check everything out, front sides and back (helps with photo opps as well), when you bring a camera to your eye keep both eyes open. If you have a bag, randomly touch your bag. If you spot/sense potential trouble, walk away (keep on walking).

Looking Professional: Dress 'professionally', like you're working for a newspaper or magazine. I always wear, from bottom to top, closed-toed shoes (no sandals), sneakers, casual shoes something comfy that you can run in. Long pant, never shorts, a shirt with sleeves and a collar, never a tank top or a Tee and never a shirt with something written on it or a crazy patterned, tie-dyed shirt. A shirt that doesn't say 'Look-at-Me-I'm-Cool', but clothing that says I'm working, respect me.

Acting Professional: Don't be goofy, if you're out on the Streets taking photos ... well that is your job for the day, take it seriously and act accordingly. No selfies, walk with determination, no stalking and hiding (unless you're into that type of thing), be out-in-the-open and upfront with your cameras. Make eye contact with people, acknowledge their presence with a quick smile or nod, be friendly, but with an undertone of seriousness, after all ... you are working.

Usually, confrontations occur in the lower economic areas of the city. Those areas often carry a opportunity for photos with greater image impact than the upscale economic areas. Be aware that those are not 'your street', you are an interloper there, and in the worst case scenario, if it is gang controlled, you are there solely at the pleasure of the gang. Always be mentally prepared for the worst. In baseball, one of the first things you learn on defense is to figure out what to do if the ball is hit to you. Before every pitch you think about the score, the outs, how the bases are loaded, the count ... and how to react if it's a fly or a grounder. Same-o for Street. Think and be prepared for the worst.

I've travelled the world and walked in some serious neighborhoods with cameras and a camera bag hanging off my shoulders. Only once has a non-government/private citizen(s) ever tried to take my cameras. Sure I've been confronted a zillion times with stink-eyes and shouts and conversations, some more polite than others. I've always been able to first, walk away from the situation before a direct confrontation (seeing/sensing a person/people watching me and closing in and I simply walk away prior to them closing in), quickly walking/running away from potential danger into an area of relative safety and/or just talking my way out.

Robbery is different from the above, people upset and insulted because they think you took their picture without 'permission', making them feel as if they're an exhibit in a zoo.

In the States, most petty robbery/theft is about drugs. The robber does know or care if your camera is a $6000 Nikon or a $300 Canon, all they care about is their next 'fix' and that camera could pay for it. Usual common sense and reason is gone as these people are mostly working off instinct. But they look for easy 'marks' ... a tourist who would be gone in a day or two, a person with their guard down. I think looking and acting professionally, a person who has made eye contact with them would not be considered an easy mark. In their mind's a pro is more likely to defend their stuff than a tourist.

This guy was huge. He is the only person who physically attempted to take my cameras. I think he was mentally challenged. I quickly walked away and he gave chase as I weaved in and out of the pedestrians on the crowded sidewalk. After about half a block of the chase, I ducked into a busy cafeteria and he didn't follow. I had a snack and continued shooting when the coast was clear.

Personally, I never carry a weapon. For me, a weapon would lower my situational awareness, embolden my reactions to confrontations and be cause for the other side to react in kind. I'd rather use my wits.

smoke665 · May 17, 2017

pendennis said:
I always carry a concealed pistol under my vest, but I will retreat rather than confront.

Many years ago, I started carrying a concealed weapon because of the amount of cash I carried (drivers expense money), and the hours I kept (late nights at office). It was a necessary item, like a belt, and yes there have been times when I needed it. Outside of that there have been times when I did and didn't carry. Now I rarely carry unless the situation warrants. Most of the squirrels, deer, rabbits, and other inhabitants on my mountain are friendly so it isn't really necessary. As stated above the best move possible is to retreat, and as Gary A pointed out being aware of your surroundings makes it much easier to move away from a danger then react to an immediate threat.

tirediron · May 17, 2017

Gary A. said:
...Looking Professional: Dress 'professionally', like you're working for a newspaper or magazine. I always wear, from bottom to top, closed-toed shoes (no sandals), sneakers, casual shoes something comfy that you can run in. Long pant, never shorts, a shirt with sleeves and a collar, never a tank top or a Tee and never a shirt with something written on it or a crazy patterned, tie-dyed shirt. A shirt that doesn't say 'Look-at-Me-I'm-Cool', but clothing that says I'm working, respect me.

Acting Professional: Don't be goofy, if you're out on the Streets taking photos ... well that is your job for the day, take it seriously and act accordingly. No selfies, walk with determination, no stalking and hiding (unless you're into that type of thing), be out-in-the-open and upfront with your cameras. Make eye contact with people, acknowledge their presence with a quick smile or nod, be friendly, but with an undertone of seriousness, after all ... you are working....

This is the key! I've been shooting in places like the very outer-most skirts of Ensenada, Mexico, the [huge] slums of southern India, throughout most of the Middle East, Djbouti, Africa and a few other places that don't make the 'Top Ten Tourist Hot Spots' on ANY list. Never had a genuine threat... a few people who seemed angry, a few who wanted money for "letting me" photograph them... that's about it. With a couple of exceptions, I follow Gary's recommendations exactly. I tend to prefer well worn in, good quality hiking boots, and in hotter areas I go with a short-sleeve t-shirt (plain, dark colour).

Near Fujairah, UAE, 2009

table1349 · May 17, 2017

Life or possession. I choose life.

However before I gave it up, the BG would have to talk to my friends, Smith & Wesson. They may be small but they pack a wallop and they most definitely can walk the walk. When you have had friends like Smith & Wesson or Mr. Glock with you 24/7 for over 30 years, it just kind of becomes a habit.

tecboy · May 17, 2017

tirediron said:
Gary A. said:

...Looking Professional: Dress 'professionally', like you're working for a newspaper or magazine. I always wear, from bottom to top, closed-toed shoes (no sandals), sneakers, casual shoes something comfy that you can run in. Long pant, never shorts, a shirt with sleeves and a collar, never a tank top or a Tee and never a shirt with something written on it or a crazy patterned, tie-dyed shirt. A shirt that doesn't say 'Look-at-Me-I'm-Cool', but clothing that says I'm working, respect me.

Acting Professional: Don't be goofy, if you're out on the Streets taking photos ... well that is your job for the day, take it seriously and act accordingly. No selfies, walk with determination, no stalking and hiding (unless you're into that type of thing), be out-in-the-open and upfront with your cameras. Make eye contact with people, acknowledge their presence with a quick smile or nod, be friendly, but with an undertone of seriousness, after all ... you are working....

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This is the key! I've been shooting in places like the very outer-most skirts of Ensenada, Mexico, the [huge] slums of southern India, throughout most of the Middle East, Djbouti, Africa and a few other places that don't make the 'Top Ten Tourist Hot Spots' on ANY list. Never had a genuine threat... a few people who seemed angry, a few who wanted money for "letting me" photograph them... that's about it. With a couple of exceptions, I follow Gary's recommendations exactly. I tend to prefer well worn in, good quality hiking boots, and in hotter areas I go with a short-sleeve t-shirt (plain, dark colour).

Near Fujairah, UAE, 2009