X-T10? X-M1?

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  1. dasminimalist

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    So, my ultimate question is this. Is mirrorless too advanced/simple for a beginner like myself to learn photography? Is it cost-effective? Too specialized for first camera?

    After shooting with my cell phone camera for the past few years, I have finally decided to pick up a bigger camera and start investing more time and money into photography.

    Long story short, total beginner, likes to take pictures of landscapes, structures, people, close-up of foods/plants, very interested in mirroless system(the idea of lightweight camera you can bring anywhere), budget is at $500~800 which means I will end up spending $900. Current equipment is a samsung Note4, Gopro Hero4 Silver, and an iPod touch if that matters at all.

    I want to take better versions of these.
     

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  2. cherylynne1

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    I definitely wouldn't say mirrorless is too advanced for a beginner. In fact, it can be really helpful in learning how to expose properly because you can see the effect you have on the picture in real time on the viewfinder.

    Here's my favorite site for gear reviews: 2016 Roundup: Interchangeable Lens Cameras $500-900 They're comparing all ILCs in that price range, but you can just read the reviews on mirrorless. They're very thorough and fair.
     
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    You will have a lot of fun with a nice MILC. The deep depth of field shots thart the iPhone can captue will be much harder, but low-light shots will be better due to the larger sensor and better higher-ISO performance of the MILC versus the iPhone. You've got this.
     
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    Fuji makes a very high quality camera. I own a number of them. Both cameras use the same 16mp sensor. The X-T10 comes with a viewfinder and a better kit lens. The XF 18-55 kit lens is a wonderful sharp kit lens and is an f/2.8 which means you can capture images in less light than with the XC 16-50 kit lens that comes with the X-M1 and is a F/3.5.
     
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    Wow, now I feel like I didn't do my homework well. Thank you so much for a great info.

    Do you need a specific set of equipments for the iphone-like deep depth of field shots or is it all about the knowledge and experience? That confidence boost though :)

    Honestly, they are very eye-catching. I love the way they look and feel in the hands.

    Have you done much of video recording on those? I know I probably will not be doing much of video, but is it SO bad that every article that I read about the Fuji mirrorless system have to mention that?
     
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    Those are very nice cell phone images. You seem to have a good eye. I can't speak to the video and I don't have a MILC yet. As far as image makers and the vast research I have done (looking to buy one) @Gary A. seems to hit it on the head. Having the ability to interchange lens is a good thing and that 18-55 is a darn nice lens that would fit perfect for your shooting genre. Little over your budget but well worth it IMO. Might be able to snag a Sony a6000 with a lens around your budget too. Keep in mind they also make adapters for these cameras that are reasonable and give you frugal lens options (older, manual focus lens).
     
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    I started shopping for the 18-55 and the price of any lens is jaw-dropping. It definitely is over my budget, but then I started to thinking if I bought an X-M1 instead of an X-T10 then I should be able to afford it. Would I be cheaping out and regret it in a few months? The only big difference I can see is the 51,000 ISO vs 6,400 ISO.

    I am even considering of buying a second-hand body as well, but even a used body+new lens seems to end up in the similar price range. May be it's time to hit a blackjack table.
     
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    Still great image quality but no viewfinder, so if that is not a problem for you, it's a good choice.
     
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    Haha, I'm sure you've done your homework, it's just a matter of knowing which websites you can trust and which ones are being paid to advertise products. There are always biases, of course, but a few websites tend to be more reliable than others.

    As for depth of field, in most cases, yes, nearly any set-up can stop down to the same depth of field as a phone. The only time you might need specialized equipment is for macro shots. It's easy for a phone camera to get really close to an object. Not all lenses will focus when they're too close, unless they're a designated macro lens. But that's probably not something you'll need to worry about for awhile.

    As for video...well, honestly, yes. Fuji video on those older cameras is pretty bad. Moire, noise in the shadows, autofocus hunting, inability to change ISO or aperture, the list goes on and on. It has improved in their newer cameras, though, so if it's only a stepping stone until later, then it's no big deal.

    My biggest problem with Fuji is the incompatibility of their RAW files with Lightroom. I do a lot of post processing, and I usually start in LR, switch to Photoshop for any composites or layer work, then swing back into LR to finish up and keep my folders organized. With any other camera, this is no big deal. But with Fuji, you have to either work with a DNG file or use something other than Lightroom. Not using Lightroom means that to switch into Photoshop you have to save, export, open, etc. It would ruin my workflow.

    That being said, Fuji probably has the best jpeg files of anybody, so most people that use it probably do so because they don't like processing pictures themselves and want the camera to do it for them.

    Looking at your photos, you definitely have an eye for composition and seem to understand the importance of good light. I wish there were raw files of those photos, though, because some post processing could take them from "nice" to "wow."

    Here's my take: If you don't want to spend any of your time in front of the computer, Fuji is your best bet. They have amazing lenses, they're just more expensive and heavier than other mirrorless choices. If a small form factor is your highest priority, look at micro four thirds camera from Panasonic and Olympus (Olympus has the edge in stills, Panasonic has the edge in video.) If you want maximum post processing power (both in dynamic range and high ISOs) then look at Sony.
     
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    Adobe fully supports Fuji raw (RAF) files in both Photoshop (ACR) and Lightroom.

    Joe
     
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    The Fuji cameras use the same Sony sensors as Sony uses in the a6xxx series cameras. The sensor is the primary determinant of dynamic range and low-light performance. If anything the Fuji X-Trans CFA tips a slight low-light advantage to the Fujis.

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  12. cherylynne1

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    Yeah, it looks like I had outdated information on that. The person I was talking to a few weeks ago had an outdated version of Lightroom, not CC. It looks like they have fixed that in the newer versions.

    As far as dynamic range, I meant that more in comparison to m43s. Fuji and Sony are very similar because they both use Sony sensors, as you said.
     

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