Garbz
No longer a newbie, moving up!
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- Photos NOT OK to edit
<rant>
Some of you may have gathered from 2 or 3 posts around the place that I am buying a new screen. Some of you also may have gathered that this screen displays 94% of the AdobeRGB colour gamut. This is great news. Technology is moving forward. We can all look forward to excellent colour definition, improved image quality, and greater accuracy when editing photos, even on a sub $1500 LCD panel. Then I woke up.
There are 2 problems here the first being support:
This isn't even limited to displays. Search this forum for colour management and you will get hundreds of posts "why do my images look fine in photoshop but look crap when uploaded". Photoshop is colour aware, and by default CameraRAW comes shipped with the AdobeRGB colour space selected. Lightroom comes shipped with the PhotoPro colour space as it's default. This is all good and fine, even if you can't display the colours when you take these files to the pro lab you'll get wonderful looking prints.
Now ICC profiles have been around for ages and were even given ISO certification in 2005. That's 3 years. Since then there has been a multitude of releases From IE6, IE7, Firefox has been born and is at version 2, so why is it that IE8 and Firefox 3 Alpha only just became compatible. What's worse As of Firefox3 Beta 4 Colour management is DISABLED BY DEFAULT. How many users would know about the "about:config" page and to change the gfx.colour_management_enable boolean to true?
While researching screens I came across the Dell 2408WFP. Lovely 24" screen for a fantastic price and a forum full of complaints that the reds look too red, and blues look too green, and why oh why does everything look perfectly fine when opened in Photoshop.
This leads to the second problem in my rant. Transparency!
Since 2005 there have been some major operating system releases. OSX came out and has gone through 5 or so updates. Vista (microsofts biggest and most craptacular OS to date) has also hit the shelves. That's 3 years after ICC profiles got ISO certification and NEITHER OS fully support colour profiles. Yes in OSX you can specify the profile and the OS will take that profile, but it does NOT mandate that applications support this profile. Vista goes one step further... er backwards. You specify the profile and ... NOTHING. That's right nothing happens. The OS lets the applications know which profile is preferred, but doesn't even take the step to adjust the desktop colour so they display correctly. How hard could it be to code a simple API to translate colours. Hell even Windows Picture and Fax viewer is profile aware, but only on the decoding of images, and not displaying of images. Which means an AdobeRGB image translates fine on an sRGB monitor but won't display any images correctly if you don't have an sRGB monitor.
It's 2008. Good monitors and printers go far beyond the poor sRGB colour space and they will only become cheaper and better. The ICC profiles for AdobeRGB have been around for years. NTSC profile has been around even longer. And the entire process has been standardised 3 years ago. Pull you ****ing fingers out developers!
</rant>
Does anyone here share my colour management pains? :cry:
Some of you may have gathered from 2 or 3 posts around the place that I am buying a new screen. Some of you also may have gathered that this screen displays 94% of the AdobeRGB colour gamut. This is great news. Technology is moving forward. We can all look forward to excellent colour definition, improved image quality, and greater accuracy when editing photos, even on a sub $1500 LCD panel. Then I woke up.
There are 2 problems here the first being support:
This isn't even limited to displays. Search this forum for colour management and you will get hundreds of posts "why do my images look fine in photoshop but look crap when uploaded". Photoshop is colour aware, and by default CameraRAW comes shipped with the AdobeRGB colour space selected. Lightroom comes shipped with the PhotoPro colour space as it's default. This is all good and fine, even if you can't display the colours when you take these files to the pro lab you'll get wonderful looking prints.
Now ICC profiles have been around for ages and were even given ISO certification in 2005. That's 3 years. Since then there has been a multitude of releases From IE6, IE7, Firefox has been born and is at version 2, so why is it that IE8 and Firefox 3 Alpha only just became compatible. What's worse As of Firefox3 Beta 4 Colour management is DISABLED BY DEFAULT. How many users would know about the "about:config" page and to change the gfx.colour_management_enable boolean to true?
While researching screens I came across the Dell 2408WFP. Lovely 24" screen for a fantastic price and a forum full of complaints that the reds look too red, and blues look too green, and why oh why does everything look perfectly fine when opened in Photoshop.
This leads to the second problem in my rant. Transparency!
Since 2005 there have been some major operating system releases. OSX came out and has gone through 5 or so updates. Vista (microsofts biggest and most craptacular OS to date) has also hit the shelves. That's 3 years after ICC profiles got ISO certification and NEITHER OS fully support colour profiles. Yes in OSX you can specify the profile and the OS will take that profile, but it does NOT mandate that applications support this profile. Vista goes one step further... er backwards. You specify the profile and ... NOTHING. That's right nothing happens. The OS lets the applications know which profile is preferred, but doesn't even take the step to adjust the desktop colour so they display correctly. How hard could it be to code a simple API to translate colours. Hell even Windows Picture and Fax viewer is profile aware, but only on the decoding of images, and not displaying of images. Which means an AdobeRGB image translates fine on an sRGB monitor but won't display any images correctly if you don't have an sRGB monitor.
It's 2008. Good monitors and printers go far beyond the poor sRGB colour space and they will only become cheaper and better. The ICC profiles for AdobeRGB have been around for years. NTSC profile has been around even longer. And the entire process has been standardised 3 years ago. Pull you ****ing fingers out developers!
</rant>
Does anyone here share my colour management pains? :cry: