A Question About "Shooting like a man"

gsgary · Dec 10, 2013

I don't see a problem i used to shoot like a perv until i went back to film

vintagesnaps · Dec 10, 2013

Oh now Gary we don't believe that!

gsgary · Dec 10, 2013

vintagesnaps said:
Oh now Gary we don't believe that!

http://gsgary.smugmug.com/People/Tina-page-3-shoot/i-s92gPPZ/0/XL/Image00034-XL.jpg

Or someone might say i shot it like a woman

robbins.photo · Dec 10, 2013

gsgary said:
vintagesnaps said:

Oh now Gary we don't believe that!

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http://gsgary.smugmug.com/People/Tina-page-3-shoot/i-s92gPPZ/0/XL/Image00034-XL.jpg

Or someone might say i shot it like a woman

I think she meant that we don't believe your not still a perv even though you switched to film.. lol

weepete · Dec 10, 2013

I think she said it because you are a guy and she knows you are a guy. It's a nonsencical statement in that way and I reckon you're reading too much into it.

rodnunley · Dec 10, 2013

vintagesnaps said:
I looked up sites of a few who came to mind; if you go back as early as Stieglitz he did portraits & nudes of Georgia O'Keefe (as many artists have done with their wives as subjects); you could look him up on The Metropolitan Museum of Art - Search the Collections .
Here are a couple others.
Horst P Horst | Classic Photography
H E R B R I T T S

So is this: Horst P Horst | Lisa on Silk Hand on Torso I really all that thematically different than this: DSC_1338 B&W | Flickr - Photo Sharing! ?

Not that I think I'm Herb Ritts ... but come on. Sometimes a nude is just a nude. Right?

Derrel · Dec 10, 2013

rodnunley said:
So is this: Horst P Horst | Lisa on Silk Hand on Torso I really all that thematically different than this: DSC_1338 B&W | Flickr - Photo Sharing! ?

About the same, really. Just separated by eighty years.

amolitor · Dec 10, 2013

Really? You think those two pictures are anything but superficially similar?

My current favorite model for overthinking pictures is built on three concepts:

subject the thing in front of the camera
rendering the way you handle the subject

rendering and subject blur together a bit. think of them as axes rather than discrete objects if you like. Then:

idea which is what the picture conveys. The feeling, the emotion, the political statement, whatever

subject+rendering gives you a picture which may have not much idea, or might contain a lot.

The two pictures you show are completely different, except for subject. There's a naked girl in each one. One of them is is light, soft, indolent, relaxed, lazy sensuality. The other is dark, angular, hard, intense, aggressive sensuality. The points of view are also completely different, with its own set of effects - the dark one has a slight tinge of BDSM in it, the light one is much more lightly erotic, again, it's about intensity.

The rendering of the two is almost completely opposite. Let's include the posing in rendering for now, although I allow as you could charge it to subject just as well. I'm trying to make a point here.

The result is that the idea conveyed is quite different. The feeling we get is quite different.

A nude, by the way, is almost never just a nude. They're always highly charged in this modern western european culture of ours.

vintagesnaps · Dec 10, 2013

I meant I don't think we'd believe you would shoot like a perv Gary, on film or otherwise.

(And I meant ones that were marked as Favorites on the Flickr page that are other users' photos...)

Tee · Dec 10, 2013

I think what she was trying to say is you shoot like a GWC. I don't think that's your intention but your work is very GWCish. Time to start getting creative with your posing, wardrobe, and lighting.

Derrel · Dec 10, 2013

amolitor said:
The other is dark, angular, hard, intense, aggressive sensuality.

What have you been drinking? That's "hard, intense aggressive sensuality"? Are you kidding? It's like a 3,000 year old sculpture...

Maybe it's the tats, throwing off your judgement, or maybe the fact that she has piercings...

robbins.photo · Dec 10, 2013

Derrel said:
amolitor said:

The other is dark, angular, hard, intense, aggressive sensuality.

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What have you been drinking? That's "hard, intense aggressive sensuality"? Are you kidding? It's like a 3,000 year old sculpture...

Maybe it's the tats, throwing off your judgement, or maybe the fact that she has piercings...

Could be the fangs. I dunno, I saw this and thought "boobies". Pretty much everything else went out the window. You know come to think of it that might be why I lost my job as an art critic.. lol