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Annie Leibovitz Photoshop filters and masterclass

No doubt she is an incredible photographer, and a huge inspiration. I bought the Master Class and personally I feel that it's not worth the price. It's more like watching a long interview where most of the content is Annie talking about herself, and she shows you her photos and tells stories about them. I'm not saying it isn't inspiring or valueable, I just don't think it should be called a "Master Class".

There's a huge aspirational hook in those "Master Classes" but did you truly expect anything more? It's a rare short-term workshop or class that has much of a takeaway beyond vague sharing of the organizer's "vision."
Yes, I expected a lot more. I've purchased similarly marketed video courses from other photographers and from Creative Live for the same price, and learned a ton. So much so that those courses were incredibly influential on my progression as a photographer. Those same courses were also very close to the same length in time. The photographers spent little time talking about themselves and showing their own photos, and dedicated the majority of the time on showing how they shoot, having recorded photoshoots and sharing their camera settings, light setups and even natural lighting setups, as well as in-depth color toning and retouching. One of them even took the time to record a call to their agent, and had a discussion with their agent about finding work, developing your look and skill, how to find an agent, what agents are looking for, etc.

I don't know why you're asking me if I expected more than a long-winded interview from something marketed as a Master Class. The answer again is yes and I don't think it was too much to expect.
 
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No doubt she is an incredible photographer, and a huge inspiration. I bought the Master Class and personally I feel that it's not worth the price. It's more like watching a long interview where most of the content is Annie talking about herself, and she shows you her photos and tells stories about them. I'm not saying it isn't inspiring or valueable, I just don't think it should be called a "Master Class".

There's a huge aspirational hook in those "Master Classes" but did you truly expect anything more? It's a rare short-term workshop or class that has much of a takeaway beyond vague sharing of the organizer's "vision."
Yes, I expected a lot more. I've purchased similarly marketed video courses from other photographers and from Creative Live for the same price, and learned a ton. So much so that those courses were incredibly influential on my progression as a photographer. Those same courses were also very close to the same length in time. The photographers spent little time talking about themselves and showing their own photos, and dedicated the majority of the time on showing how they shoot, having recorded photoshoots and sharing their camera settings, light setups and even natural lighting setups, as well as in-depth color toning and retouching. One of them even took the time to record a call to their agent, and had a discussion with their agent about finding work, developing your look and skill, how to find an agent, what agents are looking for, etc.

I don't know why you're asking me if I expected more than a long-winded interview from something marketed as a Master Class. The answer again is yes and I don't think it was too much to expect.

I’ve found the Creative Live courses that I’ve had the chance to watch to be excellent and looking to try a few more. Would love to know which ones you liked.
 
No doubt she is an incredible photographer, and a huge inspiration. I bought the Master Class and personally I feel that it's not worth the price. It's more like watching a long interview where most of the content is Annie talking about herself, and she shows you her photos and tells stories about them. I'm not saying it isn't inspiring or valueable, I just don't think it should be called a "Master Class".

There's a huge aspirational hook in those "Master Classes" but did you truly expect anything more? It's a rare short-term workshop or class that has much of a takeaway beyond vague sharing of the organizer's "vision."
Yes, I expected a lot more. I've purchased similarly marketed video courses from other photographers and from Creative Live for the same price, and learned a ton. So much so that those courses were incredibly influential on my progression as a photographer. Those same courses were also very close to the same length in time. The photographers spent little time talking about themselves and showing their own photos, and dedicated the majority of the time on showing how they shoot, having recorded photoshoots and sharing their camera settings, light setups and even natural lighting setups, as well as in-depth color toning and retouching. One of them even took the time to record a call to their agent, and had a discussion with their agent about finding work, developing your look and skill, how to find an agent, what agents are looking for, etc.

I don't know why you're asking me if I expected more than a long-winded interview from something marketed as a Master Class. The answer again is yes and I don't think it was too much to expect.

I’ve found the Creative Live courses that I’ve had the chance to watch to be excellent and looking to try a few more. Would love to know which ones you liked.

Fashion Photography 101 with Lara Jade | CreativeLive

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No doubt she is an incredible photographer, and a huge inspiration. I bought the Master Class and personally I feel that it's not worth the price. It's more like watching a long interview where most of the content is Annie talking about herself, and she shows you her photos and tells stories about them. I'm not saying it isn't inspiring or valueable, I just don't think it should be called a "Master Class".

There's a huge aspirational hook in those "Master Classes" but did you truly expect anything more? It's a rare short-term workshop or class that has much of a takeaway beyond vague sharing of the organizer's "vision."
Yes, I expected a lot more. I've purchased similarly marketed video courses from other photographers and from Creative Live for the same price, and learned a ton. So much so that those courses were incredibly influential on my progression as a photographer. Those same courses were also very close to the same length in time. The photographers spent little time talking about themselves and showing their own photos, and dedicated the majority of the time on showing how they shoot, having recorded photoshoots and sharing their camera settings, light setups and even natural lighting setups, as well as in-depth color toning and retouching. One of them even took the time to record a call to their agent, and had a discussion with their agent about finding work, developing your look and skill, how to find an agent, what agents are looking for, etc.

I don't know why you're asking me if I expected more than a long-winded interview from something marketed as a Master Class. The answer again is yes and I don't think it was too much to expect.

Why? Because creatives in her league don't do YouTube style how-to videos. They might sell inspiration but instruction? Nope. Aspirational advertising won again, I'm afraid.
 
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I don't know why you're asking me if I expected more than a long-winded interview from something marketed as a Master Class. The answer again is yes and I don't think it was too much to expect.

I’ve found the Creative Live courses that I’ve had the chance to watch to be excellent and looking to try a few more. Would love to know which ones you liked.

Fashion Photography 101 with Lara Jade | CreativeLive

Photographer Shoot-off: Lara Jade vs. Joey L (DVD) Usually ships in 12 hours!!! | eBay[/QUOTE]

Have you (or anyone else) downloaded any of the other CreativeLive classes. I wasn't interested in the one you posted but looked through the site and found several that looked good. Any opinions as to the overall quality of the classes. There was a fundamentals and landscape class I was interested in. They seem to get good reviews.
 
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Creative Live has a lot of classes, geared to beginning and intermediate-level shooters. I've watched about ten of them, and found them to be very well-done. Quality overall is high, especially if you're an intermediate or beginning-level shooter. Creative Live's goal is to get hobbyists and beginning professional people "up to speed" one might say, and so they really do make things clear, and there is explanation, and there is always "audience call-in (well, e-mail-in!) sprinkled throughout the sessions, which are rather long, as in hours long, and some have been two-day classes. Typically they have two staff members as moderators/facilitators; the presenter; and then a group of in-studio people who are there, taking notes, and asking questions at times. They show the shots "live", on a projection-sized screen, so the setups and the results are seen within seconds, which aids tremendously.

CreativeLive is not a "master class", and it's not for people who want to talk about ideas, or philosophies, or mindsets that underpin various areas of photography; it's instead a place that sells how-to information for people who are getting started, it's more about teaching the well-known industry practices and photographic fundamentals, the type of stuff that people used to learn from books, or from being a studio assistant,etc.. Creative Live classes are free when live, but you have to pay to be able to download the videos. I'm not trying to belittle CL, but it's largely people who are proficient in an area, but not say, Liebovitz-like in stature (since there are only a handful of people in her league). For the majority of people, Creative Live classes will be of a lot of value, and unlike some of the crap on YouTube, you can be confident that the information presented is actually accurate, unlike a LOT of stuff made and slapped up on YouTube by people of minimal experience.

Here's just _one_ CL page, dealing with portraiture; they have many others!

100+ Portrait Photography Tips, Classes, Tutorials | CreativeLive
 
Have you (or anyone else) downloaded any of the other CreativeLive classes. I wasn't interested in the one you posted but looked through the site and found several that looked good. Any opinions as to the overall quality of the classes. There was a fundamentals and landscape class I was interested in. They seem to get good reviews.

I own one CL class - The Art of Flower Photography by Kathleen Clemons. I bought it during a sale and feel it was 100% worth the cost. Her in person workshops cost $900+ so paying $60 for the CL class was a bargain and you can watch it over and over if you don't get something or need a refresher. The classes are pricey compared to

Previously I had a lynda.com membership which I found helpful as a beginner in learning how to use my camera and great tutorials on PSE11. Lately, now that I feel I'm more in the intermediate category in some things and a beginner - intermediate in others, and I've sort of found where my interest lies, I'm looking to improve in certain areas so I've been watching a lot of youtube but it's just not organized or thorough enough. I'm thinking of giving Kelbyone a try for a few months. There are several courses they have on offer in the $10/month membership that I am interested in.
 
@dunfly Also check the CL "live" schedule - you may be able to preview or watch parts of some of the courses that you're interested in for free and then decide from there. One weekend a few months ago I was home sick and watched an entire on air CL class in one sitting.
 
When I've looked at Creative Live I got the impression that it was beginner/intermediate level. Whatever I looked at wasn't all that impressive to me, but then again, I'd only looked at so much of it and have been a photographer for 30+ years so it didn't seem that interesting or challenging to me. But I did look at that 2 minute video preview on Annie Leibovitz and got at least one enlightening moment out of it already (when she talked about editing for the light in a photo).

Spell check doesn't seem to like any way you spell her name...

Maybe master class is a misnomer; it seems to be more 'classes by masters' in their fields rather than teaching mastery of a subject. I don't know that they've all taught classes before or how good the courses would be, but I did see some on writing that looked interesting so I'm thinking about it. If nothing else you'd probably never otherwise have the opportunity to learn from them.

And - it's a real business with an actual office and actual board members etc. and actually exists on planet earth. That's more than I can say about some of what's out there that wants your money/credit card info.
 
If I were into making movies, I would be all over that Ron Howard master class on directing.
 
When I've looked at Creative Live I got the impression that it was beginner/intermediate level. Whatever I looked at wasn't all that impressive to me, but then again, I'd only looked at so much of it and have been a photographer for 30+ years so it didn't seem that interesting or challenging to me. But I did look at that 2 minute video preview on Annie Leibovitz and got at least one enlightening moment out of it already (when she talked about editing for the light in a photo).

Spell check doesn't seem to like any way you spell her name...

Maybe master class is a misnomer; it seems to be more 'classes by masters' in their fields rather than teaching mastery of a subject. I don't know that they've all taught classes before or how good the courses would be, but I did see some on writing that looked interesting so I'm thinking about it. If nothing else you'd probably never otherwise have the opportunity to learn from them.

And - it's a real business with an actual office and actual board members etc. and actually exists on planet earth. That's more than I can say about some of what's out there that wants your money/credit card info.

Wow....so,so well-written. This was/is my experience as well. I've been involved in photography since the mid-1970's. I've read the entire Time-Life series of Photography books. I own a 20-some volume Encyclopedia of Photography. I've read 20 or so of the 32 Hedgecoe how-to books. I've studied photography at the junior high and university levels, as well as in community college. I've worked as a studio shooter 5 days a week, eight hours a day. I've shot for multiple newspapers, from junior high, to high school, to the University of Oregon's Daily Emerald, to community weekly newspapers in my region. I've shot some commercial photos and editorial pics that have appeared in national magazines. To me, the Creative Live classes are,in the main, aimed at beginners or intermediates, but there are some neat things in that CL has a lot of new equipment (Canon radio-triggered speedlights, inexpensive made in China light modifiers, inexpensive triggering systems, Lightroom post work,etc) and products that are very,very current and "new" as far as the photo world goes. I think there's a lot of great how-to stuff on Creative Live. A lot of wonderful material, for sure.

But the way I look at it, one would not pay money to see Annie Liebovitz tell one how to place a main light; that's Studio Photo 101. That's Creative Live's beginner-level stuff. If one wants insight into the thinking of a 20th century master rgarding portraiture and editorial assignment shooting, that's not a Creative Live session, and it sure as heck is NOT aYouTube "tips and tricks" blurb, nor is it an F/stoppers blog post. I think the idea that this is a class taught by a master is the hook.

I love helping people learn about photo-related stuff, but there's only so much nuts-and-bolts stuff one needs to know,and it's fairly easy to get the basics learned, but it takes decades to learn some of the more-intangible, philosophical things about high-end shooting.

If one wants to learn the nuts and bolts stuff, there are plenty of resources; books, blogs, forums, commercial web sites, YouTube,camera clubs,etc.,etc..
 
I was thinking the same thing Sharon, about taking that Ron Howard class. I took online courses thru Turner Classic Movies and Ball State U. (non credit) and sometimes I'd find something about a film interesting from a photography viewpoint.

Damn Derrel, when you point out all that, makes me realize we're um, not exactly spring chickens?! I haven't read nearly that many Hedgecoe books, I better catch up. I do appreciate the comment, thanks.
 
I took the Annie Leibovitz master class among several others. It is more about her approach to photography than technical how to. Did I get a benefit out of it. Learned a couple of things I had never thought about or tried and have tested them and stored them in my repetoire and will call on it when appropriate. I was already familiar with Annie's use of light on a stick, but her creative process was enlightening and definitely worth the price of admission. Oh, she was using a 3' octa in one of the shoots instead of the expected softlighter. And the guy that runs the French Laundry restaurant in Napa gave me another technique for a french omlet.
 

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