Arguments in the Challenges - COVID Stress?

Discussion in 'Feedback and Suggestions' started by Tropicalmemories, Sep 20, 2020.

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  1. DanOstergren

    DanOstergren TPF Supporters Supporting Member

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    With all due respect, and there is much respect here from me to you Derrel, but I personally think anything beyond the fact that it's just a red X that say's someone disagrees, is simply personal interpretation. I think that if someone is having a hard time with receiving a "disagree" vote, it may be a sign that this person might want to work on how they take that "disagree", rather than faulting other's for one's own personal interpretation of it. I've received plenty of those red X's during my time here, some more petty than others (some from you, in the exact fashion that is causing so much upset here), but it's just not something worth expending enough energy to be upset about it, or to consider removing from the site because some of the members interpret it way too personally.

    As well, if we're to assume that this issue is being brought up due to the disagree function being used in this contest thread that you posted a screenshot of your notifications from (Black & White Challenge: candid photography), I think it could easily be assumed that the creator of the contest was only using the disagree function in order to both express their opinion and also not spam their own contest thread with an argument, and that seems more than reasonable to me. Making an entirely new post in the thread in order to bring light to the fact that someone doesn't like being disagreed with is the more concerning aspect of this, or another post where someone took it way too personally that their image didn't meet the requirements of the contest creator so they decided to make it known that they wouldn't be participating, rather than saying "Ok cool, let me try something that fits with the contest organizer's requirements". Instead this person was snarky about it, and then came here to complain about how they think the red X is snarky.


     
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  2. Derrel

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    I think if you go back and look at the actual timeline of events, I asked him for some defense of his definition and within 3 minutes and without a single word he fired off three straight X's.

    with respect I don't think you have paid enough attention to the actual evidence nor consider the implication of his actions. I asked for a simple defense of his definition. there has been absolutely nothing contributed on his part to defend his extreme position and his ludicrous definition which flies in the face of modern terminology. If what he wants is very hidden camera photography then come right out and say it, and do not hide it under his warpe definition of candidm
     
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    I don't believe you're entitled to this person's argument, no matter how badly you might want to argue about it in their contest thread, nor if you request from them that they argue with you about it in their own contest thread. Not responding to someone and instead simply "disagreeing" is just that, not responding and disagreeing, regardless if you believe their definitions are extreme or ludicrous. I'd have to say that the only extreme aspect of this that I have seen are the people who are blowing a red X completely out or proportion. That is extreme, and that is ludicrous.
     
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    Well I'm done talking to you about this . Clearly you have no idea about my feelings about this and I don't feel like I need to justify my opinion to you.

    You are probably half of my age or less and we come from different places and different backgrounds, and we have different expectations of how others should treat us and what civil discourse really means. At times a simple gesture is intended as disrespect, a simple word or a simple pronunciation is loaded with meanness. I feel that in the case of the poster who shall remain nameless,his rapid fire use of the disagreex with not a single word of requested justification is churlish. And please note,I chose the word churlish over another word that is very similar in appearance.
     
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    You're entitled to your opinions Derrel. Not sure why my age or your assumptions about me have anything to do with this. Your opinion is that it's churlish for someone to disagree with you by way of saying so through a "disagree" vote on a forum post. I simply see it as just a "disagree" and an X. That's all. To take it beyond that would mean someone is taking a disagreement way too personally. Like I said, you yourself have used this function of the site on my posts before in the exact same way that you're complaining about, but the fact that it bugs you so much when someone does the same to you is very telling. The fact that you're actually using this function of the site in this exact thread that you're complaining about its use is also very telling. I could get very upset over the fact that you're disagreeing by way of the voting function AND doubling down on it with a post, but I'm perfectly fine with being disagreed with.
     
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    We are blowing the red x out of proportion? Kind of ridiculous given your recent post on Facebook in which you came to the defense of a photographer who was not given a photo credit for her work by some fairly well-known Instagram personality.

    Apparently if a person is in your circle then you will take up the mental Force to people who are not close friends of yours, we are all overreacting to what we understand is clear and plain disrespect.

    I could write a simple graffiti that condemns a whole group of people and it would be nothing but a sentence, according to your simple logic. Sometimes the red x is used as a way to cast aspersion and is a basically simplified f*** you. I know this because I am old enough to have seen how it has been used for almost 10 years.

    There is nothing quite like passive aggressiveness. It gives one a nice comforting feeling of plausible deniability. Kind of like what smokementioned about people in case in the cars flipping you the bird
     
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    And I think its time we brought this to a close since we are heading nowhere productive.

    Moderators are aware of some contention with the red X, however its something beyond our control (and its every chance that the feature might well be a case of all or nothing - that is you get all the icons and awards including the X or you get nothing at all by disabling it). I would like to remind users that:

    1) It's perfectly normal and natural to disagree with someone, even a friend. You don't have to fall out over it; you don't have to argue and fight over it and you don't have to act hostile toward each other because you got an X on a post.

    2) If you feel targeted/attacked/abused by another member (and excessive use of the X button can count as that) then please use the report feature and inform the moderators. Remember to leave details in the report so that we can understand your point of view.
     
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