Flu shots, should they be required?

[pgriz]

Runnah, you obviously never met a sensual engineer.

 

[Stradawhovious]

Should it be requried?

No. We need free choice. If you don't want to get the shot, that's your decision, and ultimately your problem.

Is it a good idea?

Yes. I get one every year, as does the rest of my family. Our choice.

Should your wife's employer be forbidden from requiring the flu shot?

No. It's their choice to require it for employment (for obvious reasons), and to be blunt your wife is not required to work there... and therefore not technically required to get the vaccination. It's her choice.

Just my .02

 

[Overread]

No. We need free choice. If you don't want to get the shot, that's your decision, and ultimately your problem.

Technically its not just a personal problem.
It's a social one since by not having the jab you allow the disease to remain alive within the community (as a sufferer or carrier). As such it remains a social problem.

In theory since a disease is a living organism if you can immunise the population it ends up with no-where to live. With no-where to live it dies - in theory we want to work toward repeating what we did with smallpox - immunise and drive it out.

 

[Braineack]

You are completely missing the point.

I'm actually not. that's what's crazy.

 

[runnah]

Runnah, you obviously never met a sensual engineer.

Are they hanging out with unicorns and bigfoot?

 

[Braineack]

we should outlaw all public spaces that allow people to come into close contact which each other. It's a matter of public safety.

No more hugging ball for Runnah.

 

[Derrel]

There seems to be a rising pattern of physicians writing articles stating that the flu vaccines are mostly hype, and that the alleged success rates are bogus, and foisted upon a medically ignorant public that desperately WANTS to believe a flu vaccine will help them avoid the flu. I have never had a flu shot...and have not had the flu in thirty years or so...the last time I had it Ronald Reagan was president,and I was just out of high school...I dunno...recently I've read some articles written by MD's that claim the flu shot hype is being foisted upon large insurance groups as a POSSIBLE way to cut their services rendered bills, so..they force their insured people to get a flu shot.

But the idea that a flu vaccine shot, randomly formulated each year, and based on a best-guess scenario, is a medically wise and good idea for every single person? One physician's article suggested that the idea of ANY procedure being "a good idea for every single person" is a ridiculous fallacy. And yet...ridiculous fallacies are often pretty popular in America. So..there ya' go..the flu shot...heavily hyped, and a major ideological doctrine that many people obsess and fret over.

Fifteen years ago we "all knew" that eggs were horrible for peoples' health. We all "knew" that too much coffee was bad for people...and yet, now we have research that suggests almost diametrically opposite points of view are "the truth". I feel the same way about the flu vaccine myth. It's not a savior, but Big Pharma hypes the chit out of it...so, it must be awesome. Right?

 

[photoguy99]

You are completely missing the point.

I'm actually not. that's what's crazy.

Well, whatever. Maybe you get the point and are deliberately introducing a red herring by talking about a specific strain, which isn't any more interesting than talking about a specific individual when we're talking about statistical, population-level, effects.

The point about the H1N1 strain not being in that year's vaccine is irrelevant, and I don't care whether you're aware of that or not.

 

[pgriz]

Runnah, you obviously never met a sensual engineer.

Are they hanging out with unicorns and bigfoot?

I'll have to check. Last I looked, the places that catered to unicorns and bigfoot/sasquash types were pretty selective about who they let in. Why, are you worrying about the engineer's ability to reproduce?

 

[BGeise]

A bunch of photographers discussing medicine is like asking an engineer how to make love.

yea, you gotta ask a real blue collar worker....like a professional pipe layer.

What do you think pix? Aren't you a doctor or something

 

[Braineack]

The point about the H1N1 strain not being in that year's vaccine is irrelevant, and I don't care whether you're aware of that or not.

it's relevant because people that got the flu shot were still very susceptible to the strain of h1n1 that ran wild a few years ago. Because a room full of men picked the wrong few strains of virus to use that year.

The flu shot is pointless and that's why I wont get it. But actually i get violently ill when i take it and i'm wiped out for at least 3-4 days and then i still have a 98% chance of actually getting the flu.

children under 5, who are actually considered high risk, have such a low probability of dying from the flu. The death rate is averaging something below 100 deaths a year. that puts the mortality rate at something like .0000002%

there's a very high risk your child will die during childbirth. that's the biggest risk of anyone below the age of 10. Solution: dont have kids.

 

[BGeise]

No. We need free choice. If you don't want to get the shot, that's your decision, and ultimately your problem.

Technically its not just a personal problem.
It's a social one since by not having the jab you allow the disease to remain alive within the community (as a sufferer or carrier). As such it remains a social problem.

In theory since a disease is a living organism if you can immunise the population it ends up with no-where to live. With no-where to live it dies - in theory we want to work toward repeating what we did with smallpox - immunise and drive it out.

So why are kids still being vaccinated for it and other things like polio

 

[photoguy99]

..and then i still have a 98% chance of actually getting the flu.

Good lord, what are you doing? Are you seeking out flu sufferers and eating their snot or something?

 

[Braineack]

let me rephrase: I'm still 98% as likely to contract the flu, that year, as without the "vaccination".

or maybe i was just hanging out a day care. something we should outlaw; way too many germs.

 

[Overread]

So why are kids still being vaccinated for it and other things like polio

Well the last case of smallpox was in 1977 so it wasn't very long ago. Also even in developed countries you could still have small isolated groups/individuals who are not immune, but who could still be carriers. As a result you have to keep immunising otherwise any isolated case will just spread right through the population again and you're all the way back to where you started.