Well, im not a site owner of course so i cannot speak for them, i can only give you an honest opinion of some the points made in this thread. There seems to be the 'all doom and gloom' attitude and that TPF has gone to the dogs.... well i honestly don't believe that... and i do respect many of you that have that opinion, but my outlook is just from a different perspective. You will always have people you admire leaving forums, if its for work, lifestyle, new commitments... whatever. It is sad when things start to change but such is life. The internet (and forums such as this in particular) is changing and will continue to change. This is mainly to do with what photography means to people nowadays. Go back to 2001 for example... i had a top of the range digital POS.... it was 2mp and cost £480.00 i was at Art college at the time. Real photographers either still preferred film or had one of the early DSLR's... so for many years after it was still a hobby for people that are serious about photography, and more importantly with a hunger to learn. And now?... with 10mp POS for £40... Easily affordable DSLR's... 4mp phone camera's.... Myspace, Facebook... Photography isn't just for photographers anymore. Its for anyone who wants quick answers... and within weeks or months of getting answers suddenly becomes a short tempered 'know it all' who likes to offer dodgy advice to noobs This is why you may find some threads around which you wouldn't have found a few years ago... its just the way photography has developed and attracted all types of people of all ages. But guys, this isn't such a bad thing... the people who really know their stuff, still know their stuff, and should feel confident in the knowledge they have gained. If you think someone is being short or rude and with no justifiable reason... just sit back (or report them to the mods ) and don't let it stress you. Some will want the quick answers and leave, some will keep pushing their hobby forward using a forum such as this, and become excellent photographers. I predict (and did a few years ago) that these type of things will be even more regular as time and accessibility to photography grows. Imagine a new scenario... take computer game programming. I don't know this but i bet there are a few forums where some like minded people share their knowledge and skill to help each other with thier technical problems... its probably a small forum as TPF once was. Now, lets say by 2010 some software comes out which makes creating games easier... much easier, all you need to know is a few of the basics before you can go off and make your own game.... what do you think would happen to that forum? Take something as popular as photography and you have your answer! So can you really blame TPF?... or the owners which despite not participating much, have still left us to run free and carry on as we please?... they haven't restrained us in anyway. I have always been a firm believer of the phrase 'you get out what you put in' .... so to say things are bad around here but then not be willing to contribute is kind of defeatist. A forum IS its members... not its layout or the technicality of who its owned by. Lastly, i really hope that people want to stay at this forum. We have always (because of Chase's awesome work) been Google optimized and will therefore attract people of all skill levels and mentality.... but personally i think its half the fun of the internet and the more diverse we are, the more interest we have in images and different types of people.