Is it just me ?

Discussion in 'Photographic Discussions' started by Dagwood56, Apr 6, 2009.

  1. Arch

    Arch Damn You! Staff Member Supporting Member

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    Well, im not a site owner of course so i cannot speak for them, i can only give you an honest opinion of some the points made in this thread.

    There seems to be the 'all doom and gloom' attitude and that TPF has gone to the dogs.... well i honestly don't believe that... and i do respect many of you that have that opinion, but my outlook is just from a different perspective.

    You will always have people you admire leaving forums, if its for work, lifestyle, new commitments... whatever. It is sad when things start to change but such is life.
    The internet (and forums such as this in particular) is changing and will continue to change. This is mainly to do with what photography means to people nowadays.

    Go back to 2001 for example... i had a top of the range digital POS.... it was 2mp and cost £480.00 i was at Art college at the time.
    Real photographers either still preferred film or had one of the early DSLR's... so for many years after it was still a hobby for people that are serious about photography, and more importantly with a hunger to learn.

    And now?... with 10mp POS for £40... Easily affordable DSLR's... 4mp phone camera's.... Myspace, Facebook... Photography isn't just for photographers anymore. Its for anyone who wants quick answers... and within weeks or months of getting answers suddenly becomes a short tempered 'know it all' who likes to offer dodgy advice to noobs :lol:

    This is why you may find some threads around which you wouldn't have found a few years ago... its just the way photography has developed and attracted all types of people of all ages.

    But guys, this isn't such a bad thing... the people who really know their stuff, still know their stuff, and should feel confident in the knowledge they have gained. If you think someone is being short or rude and with no justifiable reason... just sit back (or report them to the mods :p) and don't let it stress you.
    Some will want the quick answers and leave, some will keep pushing their hobby forward using a forum such as this, and become excellent photographers.

    I predict (and did a few years ago) that these type of things will be even more regular as time and accessibility to photography grows.
    Imagine a new scenario... take computer game programming. I don't know this but i bet there are a few forums where some like minded people share their knowledge and skill to help each other with thier technical problems... its probably a small forum as TPF once was.
    Now, lets say by 2010 some software comes out which makes creating games easier... much easier, all you need to know is a few of the basics before you can go off and make your own game.... what do you think would happen to that forum? Take something as popular as photography and you have your answer!

    So can you really blame TPF?... or the owners which despite not participating much, have still left us to run free and carry on as we please?... they haven't restrained us in anyway.

    I have always been a firm believer of the phrase 'you get out what you put in' .... so to say things are bad around here but then not be willing to contribute is kind of defeatist. A forum IS its members... not its layout or the technicality of who its owned by.

    Lastly, i really hope that people want to stay at this forum. We have always (because of Chase's awesome work) been Google optimized and will therefore attract people of all skill levels and mentality.... but personally i think its half the fun of the internet and the more diverse we are, the more interest we have in images and different types of people.

    ;)


     
  2. JerryPH

    JerryPH No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    I can respect that opinion without needing to agree or disagree. :mrgreen:
     
  3. Dweller

    Dweller Inconspicuous Supporter

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    I agree with most of what you said, but a forum is a special beast that your phrase does not always apply too. In this case the owners get what the members put in. A forum is built on the backs of its members and as such I feel owners should be ACTIVE participants that nurture the environment and the member base. We had that. We no longer have that.

    Chase built the foundation but the members built the house. Now we have new owners that seem more interested in putting billboards in the yard than coming in to visit.
     
  4. guitarkid

    guitarkid TPF Noob!

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    this is a good topic. i actually left for a bit sometime last year due to the terrible attacks. no matter what was posted, there was always some idiot lurking to let you know how much better they are than you. photographers are more touchy for some reason.

    i'm here to learn and view nice photos. i know there are better than me out there, and worse, that's what makes the world different. i agree with the whole, give respect to get respect thing, but that doesn't mean you have to kiss up to be heard. there is such a thing as common courtesy. all businesses are cut-throat, and photo sites are among the worst overall. video forums not so much, in fact, quite the opposite, and guitar / music forums, the best, most helpful. of course, it depends which ones you go to, but this is the overall rule i have seen.

    it has been much better here this new year, in my opinion. this site we are currently on has been much more enjoyable than say, 9 months to 1 year ago. seems like most of the bad people are gone.
     
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  5. Dagwood56

    Dagwood56 No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    YOU are one of the people I noticed was not around much when I returned the forum last fall, and I missed seeing your work. Checked out your thread and I love the bee - beautiful shot!:D
     
  6. Dagwood56

    Dagwood56 No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    :thumbup::D I Agree
     
  7. leighthal

    leighthal No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    It saddens me to see people step away from this forum. I just started figuring out which end is which on my camera.
    Maybe you haven't heard it yet, the proverbial pat on the back.... so here it is.

    Thank you for teaching me. I regularily read every post, view every photo, play the fun contests, and view member sites. If you ceased to post pictures due to a few bad comments you are robbing some of us with the very thing that is teaching us to get better. I learn more reading the data and composition of a photo than any comment out there.

    Even the people who rub me the wrong way because I think they have egos or attitude can teach me through their photos. When I get bad form on a critic (good form being a:compliment the good-- b:disect the bad-- c:follow with positive encouragement) I tend to chalk it up to people just being knobs and move on. It has never discouraged me from posting again because some people have interesting things to say.

    In regards to repeat questions, one of the reasons people visit forums is to interact with someone more knowledgable than themselves. It is quite easy to search google for answers but nothing beats that one on one you get with those whos work you admire. Instead of getting the groans from it take it as a compliment. It is appreciated.

    *What I learned from some of you:
    Jerry taught me to give up auto permently. I still think he needs to take a chill pill with auto users but he did have good points as well..... lesson learned
    Chiller taught me that a good photo trancends subject. If he can make something ugly that beautiful there is hope for my snapshots turning into photographs.
    Laphoto taught me about water drops.
    Anty taught me about composition. In a lesson to someone else I learned some tricks to make my photos better.

    The list could go on and on.... now imagine if you all didn't post photos or respond to posters. sigh I'd still be taking pictures totally centered and relying on auto.

    Thanks again.
     
  8. JerryPH

    JerryPH No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    Took a double dose this morning... oh wait, that was either a double dose of Viagra, laxative or sleeping tablets. I'll wait a while and see what comes up. :lol:
     
  9. Dagwood56

    Dagwood56 No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    You got lost in the shuffle :lol:, I meant to respond to this earlier and got side tracked. I didn't think your response was terse - just to the point. Perhaps now that warm weather is coming to my neck of the woods I can get out more and spend less time, as you say, paying attention to the what-not. :D
     
  10. skieur

    skieur TPF Noob!

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    I tend to agree. Newcomers need to realize that experienced photographers have seen exponentially more photographs and are more aware of the criteria that are used to judge their quality. Very basic is that what you see with your eyes does NOT necessarily make a good photograph whether you appreciate that fact or not. If you are posting in a forum, the assumption is that you are past your own personal opinion, and looking for a more objective consensus of the quality of your work as well as for suggestions for improvement. If you get that objective consensus and feel insulted then you need to reassess your photos. If you are giving false praise under the guise of encouragement, then you need to reassess your critique and its possible negative consequences.

    skieur
     
  11. clarinetJWD

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    Absolutely, it's one thing to be offended by honest and constructive opinions, and that's a bit of a problem. It's a whole different thing when the opinions are presented in an almost vicious manner. True, it's hard to convey tone online, but it is more than possible to make advice friendly and helpful. (I'm not talking about you at all, just adding to your points. Yes, you need to be able to take criticism, but there also needs to be less rudeness.)
     
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    chris82 TPF Noob!

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    100%! Its not hard to tell someone that a photo they have taken is not a good one in a positive way,Point out there mistakes and give them advice on how to improve. I myself left the forum about two years ago because there were more insults than criticism(bad spelling).Telling someone that there photo sucks and they should fnd a new hobby is not constructive or if someone asks how do I do that and some one replies ever heard of google, Then that defeats the purpose of coming to a forum for help in the first plce! Dosent it?

    I know that sometimes people post up these comments in a witty fashion and thats ok if the person on the reciving end has been here a while and knows what to expect I mean theres nothing wrong with a bit of banter but if the person is new we have to be more like teachers than friends at first.

    I have also noticed a drop in traffic scince I was last an active member in the forum. I mean when I was here last there were in ecess of 200 members online at any given time sometimes 3 or 400 members,Now it seems the forum is peaking at around 60 or 70 users.
     

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