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It's interesting that you're the only person that likes these :) (besides me, and I've just seen that Leonore liked this... that makes three of us) :)
Lol, interesting indeed. Keep in mind I was also told at one point in this thread that I myself know very little about photographing men and need to focus more on learning how to photograph them "correctly", so take my points simply as opinion.

I downloaded the file and looked what you've done. Thank you thank you thank you! You finished the image just the way I wanted but wasn't able to achieve because I have no necessary skills.
If I'm not able to replicate what you've done with this image I'll just steal your version and call it mine :)
Hahaha. The great thing about adjustment layers is that you can drag them from one image over to the next, and they will apply the same settings. You're more than welcome to use those adjustment layers on your own photos (you will just have to delete any layer masks you've made for selective aditing and create new masks for new images.

And... I don't sharpen my images. I don't need to sharpen for what I do mostly.
In my opinion, unless it goes against a concept, if you are photographing adults, you should sharpen especially if you are using RAW images. I'll explain how I do this later today when I have the attention span to do it.
 
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Boys are easier to shoot , but just as bad if not worse than women image conscious wise .... trust me . Hair , makeup is usually easier . Notice I left out styling . HAHA ! Both have their challenges . A good model that knows how to find the light , which she is their best side , flow easily from pose to pose whilst making them look natural obviously makes your job easier .

Good job!
 
No, not really. But by focusing on the "maleness" you might be putting your ideas ahead of what the person actually is. As you noted in the thread, once you got to working with the two, your earlier apprehensions went away - and that is how it should be. Masculinity or femininity is to a certain extent a social construct, as can be seen in the variations that exist in various cultures. Part of our skills as photographers and artists is to manipulate the viewer expectations to achieve the outcome we want artistically. That can be to confirm an existing idea, or to challenge it. Much of our expectation of what is "normal" is culturally-derived, and if one has the ability to participate in several cultural traditions, one is very sensitive to the differences between them. I happen to live on the intersection of three different cultures, and take on whichever cultural coat is appropriate under the circumstances. I suspect you too, by the virtue of your participating both in your country's life and in the culture of the internet, are straddling at least two (and I suspect more) cultural realities. It becomes part of your creative toolkit to choose which set of visual metaphors you choose to represent someone or something.

That was a long way to say - let your subject open up to you (as happened), and then you can decide what aspect you wish to portray.
Yes. I agree.
I was just being insecure about myself because I was entering a zone I'm not that comfortable in. I tend to worry to much then and over think things.

ty Paul :)

And... I think I need to relax a bit and focus on what what I think I do good.
 
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mmaria, it seems as though you're out of your comfort zone. But I wouldn't worry. :) They're all very good and far better that I'd ever achieve. I think the members are judging against your past performances rather than as is.

@DanOstergren - Keep posting the tips! :) You have a great eye for portraits and also understand the relative nature of images. For instance when others who commented on the "green" looked at the absolute and edited the "green" globally by WB ((looked at the green and edited the green), you looked at the green and added the opposite (looked at the green and balanced it by adding the opposite). I'm not sure if you realise how different your approach is to some who've just started. They may edit absolute values and make global changes that reduce variation and lead to balance by equalisation (though trying to find out how other's do it!), you make local and subtle changes to enhance variation and achieve balance. It's all good information and very informative!

Back to the images mmaria but I don't want to cove the ground others have already. With relative differences in mind I find the subject and the background in the first image too contrasty. Not equalised but it's almost as if they're both competing at near maximum volume. I find it a little difficult to to discern the tones on the subject against the black in the contrast of the background. I would be inclined to lower the volume of both the background and the subject by way of contrast, but to do them in subtly different ways. I'd slightly raise the black point and lower the white point with the background, and in the subject keep those fixed and flatten the mid tone contrasts with a curves adjustment layer. It's quite subtle:

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I really quite like the composition in the second image. I'm not sure if it's more leaning towards the learned or the intuitive. I might pull down the highlights of the background and just tighten a smidgen... Both offered only as an alternative and not as correct:

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thank you for your kind words!
Yes , your edits are subtle and I like them :)
 
I love these! For a first tie you did a great job!!!
There is so much great info on this thread, I will have to read trough it later. :)
ty and yes :)

Dan gave us some great info!
 
It's interesting that you're the only person that likes these :) (besides me, and I've just seen that Leonore liked this... that makes three of us) :)
Lol, interesting indeed. Keep in mind I was also told at one point in this thread that I myself know very little about photographing men and need to focus more on learning how to photograph them "correctly", so take my points simply as opinion.

And... I don't sharpen my images. I don't need to sharpen for what I do mostly.
In my opinion, unless it goes against a concept, if you are photographing adults, you should sharpen especially if you are using RAW images. I'll explain how I do this later today when I have the attention span to do it.
I haven't done much portraits lately and those foresty, dark,..or what ever images I was focused on really don't need sharpening. But these portraits do need sharpening. I just completely forgot about it :)

I edited #4 all over again following your instruction... I need to practice much more, of course, but I'm done with this particular picture. That's my maximum for the given picture, that's how I feel after spending this much time on it :)

Look at the OP, I posted that final version... I also followed your sharpening from the tiff file you gave me, but it was weird that the settings you used didn't got me results like yours. My High pass and Unsharp layers didn't look that strong...so I adjusted them by the feel. I assume I couldn't figure out all the steps when sharpening.

The great thing about adjustment layers is that you can drag them from one image over to the next, and they will apply the same settings. You're more than welcome to use those adjustment layers on your own photos (you will just have to delete any layer masks you've made for selective aditing and create new masks for new images.
I find difficult to adjust skin tones. I don't have a feel how the healthy skin needs to look and I tend to desaturate skin tones... Are you saying that those Color balance layers have some universal settings for skin tones? or I just wish that :)
 
Boys are easier to shoot , but just as bad if not worse than women image conscious wise .... trust me . Hair , makeup is usually easier . Notice I left out styling . HAHA ! Both have their challenges . A good model that knows how to find the light , which she is their best side , flow easily from pose to pose whilst making them look natural obviously makes your job easier .

Good job!
Lol, you certainly know about male models and their vanity :)

I need more experience in this field for sure...and I'll get it :)
 
Boys are easier to shoot , but just as bad if not worse than women image conscious wise .... trust me . Hair , makeup is usually easier . Notice I left out styling . HAHA ! Both have their challenges . A good model that knows how to find the light , which she is their best side , flow easily from pose to pose whilst making them look natural obviously makes your job easier .

Good job!
Lol, you certainly know about male models and their vanity :)

I need more experience in this field for sure...and I'll get it :)
Hahaha!!! Yes I do know a thing or two about that. Hahah [emoji14] [emoji14] [emoji14]

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@DanOstergren just to tell you a huge thank you!
I've downloaded tiff file and I saw what you've done. It's great! I hope I'll figure out how to edit. What's your settings for the brush when dodging and burning?

I'll give you a detailed response later, because I need to go now... just wanted you to know that I'm really grateful for the thoughts and the edit. I hope I can replicate it.

I was trying to fix bags under his eyes but I couldn't do that entirely because I don't understand how to change their tones or what else..
To dodge and burn, I create a new layer above a background and background copy layer by clicking "Layer>New Layer" in the menu bar. Before exiting the dialogue box for creating a new layer, I set the layer color to "gray", the layer mode to "soft light", and check the box that says "Fill with soft light neutral color (50% gray). Once I create the layer, I duplicate it a few times and name each gray layer for their different purposes ("skin", "contour", "hair", "eyes", "arms", background", or whatever part of an image I may be selectively dodging or burning).
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These dodge and burn layers should be above your background/background copy layers, and below your adjustment layers and masks. These are the layers I dodge and burn on; because I'm dodging on these separate layers, I'm causing no damage to the actual image layer. Use the dodge tool, usually set to "Midtones" with the exposure usually set between 2% and 10% for cleaning up the skin and softening skin gradients. Use the dodge tool set to the "Highlights" range in order to sculpt the face by making the highlights a little brighter, and use the burn tool set to the "shadows" range in order to carve out facial features a bit. Use the dodge tool set to "highlights" in order to bring out detail in the highlights of the models hair, or their clothing, or their eyes. Just make sure that you are making these changes on separate layers, that way you can selectively control the amount of each different adjustment by adjusting the opacity of the different layers.
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If you need to selectively change the color of a certain spot of skin or whatever else, create a Selective Color adjustment layer:
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Click on the white square (the layer mask) that is attached to your new adjustment layer. This will show a dialogue box like this:
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Click "Invert". This will turn the layer mask's color to black. Next, select the paint brush tool and set the color to white, the opacity of the brush to %15, and make sure that the brush has a feathered edge. Make sure you click on the layer mask on your Color Balance adjustment layer to make sure it's selected, and then paint over the spot on the image that needs correcting, in this case the green area under the model's chin.
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After you do this, click the layer thumbnail on the left side of the layer to bring up the dialogue box that controls the effect of the adjustment layer:
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This control panel should appear:
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Use the sliders to manipulate the color tones. It should just barely be affecting the area that you painted over on the layer mask.
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I used the same technique to correct certain areas of his hair:

Before hair color correction:
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After correction:
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I hope I explained this in a way that you can follow (actually watching someone do this makes it much easier to understand). You can use this same inverted layer mask technique with hue/saturation adjustment layers to selectively saturate and reduce saturation of different areas of the image; this is important to know because dodging and burning can sometimes saturate and desaturate the areas affected, and using two Hue/Saturation adjustment layers (one to increase saturation and one to decrease it) with an inverted layer mask is an easy way to selectively correct this. You can also use the inverted layer mask technique with a curves, exposure or levels adjustment layer in order to selectively manipulate the exposure in the selected areas of the image. It's an incredibly useful technique for retouching, but like any technique it needs to be practiced and refined.

Also, are you sharpening your portraits? If not, I can show you a great technique for that as well.

I just now had the time to read this, and all I can say is WOW! This is great info, it is going into my PS bookmarks! :)
 
I think number 1 would be better if it was flipped to the other side.. and im living for the 3rd image !! love it.. my screen needs colour calibrating so it might be why skin tones are looking very pinkish.. but did quick edit with curves adding more yellow.. clone the collar so its not tucked in, and do a bit of dodge and burn and literally I think this could be in some mens magazine. The comments made me laugh, I dont necessarily think its a feminine pose, I mean I cant imagine a big muscular man who looks rugged even if he was in a "feminine" pose would look feminine unless it was really drastic like a big fairy :icon_flower:
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I like them for the most part and have been making notes from some of the responses and learning a great deal. Thank you for that. My struggle with these or any male photography is with the masculinity, I guess I am just an old fashioned idiot on some level.

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Manly is overrated. Androgynous men are the new hot ticket item in the industry.
Great shots though.
 
I think number 1 would be better if it was flipped to the other side.. and im living for the 3rd image !! love it.. my screen needs colour calibrating so it might be why skin tones are looking very pinkish.. but did quick edit with curves adding more yellow.. clone the collar so its not tucked in, and do a bit of dodge and burn and literally I think this could be in some mens magazine. The comments made me laugh, I dont necessarily think its a feminine pose, I mean I cant imagine a big muscular man who looks rugged even if he was in a "feminine" pose would look feminine unless it was really drastic like a big fairy :icon_flower:
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again, somewhere between... My monitor is calibrated and your edit is too yellow ... but I'll add a bit yellow for sure... ty!
 
Manly is overrated. Androgynous men are the new hot ticket item in the industry.
Great shots though.

Yup, pouty lips are the new normal. At the end of the day, do these men really look feminine or do they make themselves look that way? As it relates to OP, she was worried about her feminine hand in editing.



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