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Long exposure shots during daylight without any filters

blown out means that the picture has recorded almost pure white because too much light has hit the sensor and all detail is lost.

You probably just need to study the basics of exposure before you start thinking about how to shoot a particular type of photograph. Because until you understand the basics of exposure you'll just be coming here every time you want a certain shot and asking "how should I set my camera?!" every single time. Once you understand how the basics of exposure work, you can figure out a lot of stuff like the questions you are asking by just applying that knowledge and some basic logic.

Ultimately it all boils down to this:

1) you need X amount of effective light to achieve Y brightness in a given photo. THis is a direct relationship, ie the more effective light, the brighter the photo. Photographers refer to this as the exposure.

2) The amount of light in the environment plus any flash you may use is the first factor to consider. The light in the environment is referred to as the ambient light. For the shot you are referring to above, ambient light is all there is. Obviously the more ambient light there is, the more light there is.

3) The shutter speed controls how long the shutter is open. Obviously the longer it is open, the more ambient light is let in. (this doesn't work for flash, since flash flashes for as long as the flash flashes, the shutter speed doesn't change that until you get to extremely fast speeds). Shutter speed also obviously effects the amount of 'movement' captured in the image. What causes the 'silky' look you want is that the water is moving. So when you capture it for a long time, it creates an averaged out look, which is smooth and silky.

4) the aperture (f/stop) controls the rate at which the light comes into the camera. ie its essentially how large the opening that lets light into the camera is. THe larger the opening, the more light that can pour in, the smaller, the less that can pour in. It also controls how much of your frame is in focus. If the hole is very large (an aperture of f/2, for instance), then the depth that is in focus will be small. If the opening is tiny (f/22 for example) then almost the entire image will appear in focus.

5) The ISO controls how much the light that comes in is amplified (for digital that is, for film it controls how sensitive the film is to light). So if a picture is X bright at ISO 100, its 2X bright at ISO 200. At high values ISO also can cause noise and color desaturation as well.

For the look you want, you want a long shutter speed. You usually need about 45 seconds at least to get even moderately silky water. In daylight, this is a LONG time for a shutter to be open. A normal shutter speed in full daylight at a normal aperture (say f/11) and ISO 100 is something like 1/40 a second. So you're essentially letting in 1,600 times as much light with that shutter speed as you'd normally want. This will mean that even if you go all the way down to f/22 (the smallest most consumer grade lenses will go), way too much light will be entering the camera if your shutter is open for 45 seconds. The water will be smooth, because it wil be completely white, just like everything else in the picture, your picture will come out completely white and all detail will be lost.

Neutral density filters are basically like sunglasses for your camera. Very high quality sunglasses that don't change the color of the light (hence neutral). a 9 stop ND filter basically means you are cutting the amount of light that gets in down by 256 times (each stop is half as much light, thus 1 stop down is 1/2, 2 stops down is 1/4, 3 stops down is 1/8,etc) . Thus allowing you to take a long exposure in the daylight without making your picture pure white.

Your solutions to this problem without a ND filter is basically shoot when it's less bright. Either about 45 minutes after sunset, or 15 minutes after sunset when it's very overcast (this can be a dramatic shot indeed, as you get the rolling clouds as well).
Thanks! Any recommendation for a good (and preferably cheap) ND filter for my Nikon 18-55mm kit lens?
 
I was going to say. Those questions you could have answered yourself for the amount of time you were waiting for a reply. Go take a bunch of pictures and then have everyone critique them. That is what works for me and if you are serious about the pictures, you will get serious answers. GL
 
That is the type of photo I want to shoot! I am a beginner and I realize I need a lot of experience, but at this point I want to shoot some photos without any filters.

You said this picture would have been "blown out" if the shutter was open for 2 minutes? What does that mean? What about the bulb mode? Do you ever use it? What would have happened if Kelby had shot the picture with a 2-second shot rather than 30+ with the filters? What would be different? I'm trying to understand the difference between 2 and 8 or 30 seconds at this time? How does one decide (or know) how long they'll keep the shutter open?

Again, sorry if these questions sound stupid...

I did not use a filter on that shot as it was very dark out.

"blown out" means over-exposed.. but to an extreme really in this case. The picture woudl essentially be white because of how much light woudl be recorded.

I use bulb mode when I want to control the amount of time exactly using my off camera release, or for star trails. If kelby had the filters on, shot for 2 seconds instead of 30+ the picture would be very dark as only a little light would have gone through.

You'll learn how long to keep the shutter open by understanding exposure. For now - play with the Time value (shutter speed) mode of your camera. Adjust for the length of time (probably limited to a max of 30 seconds), and try and notice what settings the aperature and ISO changes to on your camera to accomplish the time. It is one way (besides reading on the "exposure triangle(aperature, ISO, shutter speed)) to gain an understanding of how the three work together. If you only adjust one variable, and see how your camera automatically adjusts the otehr 2 variables, you will start to see how all three interact with each other.
 
That is the type of photo I want to shoot! I am a beginner and I realize I need a lot of experience, but at this point I want to shoot some photos without any filters.

Why fear the filter? ND filters are like mana from heaven to any photographer shooting in natural light. Not only do they allow you to take longer exposures, but they compress the dynamic range of light allowing the camera to get a proper exposure on more of the scene. It won't save you from bad photography, but they are one of the tools that you should add to your bag as soon as the wallet permits it.
 
Why fear the filter?
Since I'm a beginner, I was told that I shouldn't bother with any filters till I have a solid grasp of basic photography. I also came across similar advice in some videos I've been watching. If I get a filter for my kit lens, will I be able to use it on another one? I guess not? Also, do you have any suggestion as to what would be the best choice for the D3100 kit lens?
 
you can use one filter on multiple lenses. there are a few ways to do this. if you get a round filter then get a large one and then you can use step up rings from lenses with smaller filter sizes. You can also go with a square filter system and get an attachment for each lens that will fit the square filter holder.
 
That is the type of photo I want to shoot! I am a beginner and I realize I need a lot of experience, but at this point I want to shoot some photos without any filters.

Why fear the filter? ND filters are like mana from heaven to any photographer shooting in natural light. Not only do they allow you to take longer exposures, but they compress the dynamic range of light allowing the camera to get a proper exposure on more of the scene. It won't save you from bad photography, but they are one of the tools that you should add to your bag as soon as the wallet permits it.


"Compressing" dynamic range is done with multiple exposures.
An ND filter reduces the intensity of the colour wavelengths equally without changing them. eg: less light, allowing (larger Aperture = less diffraction). Also allowing longer shutter speeds, giving motion to moving substances/objects.
 
Why fear the filter?
Since I'm a beginner, I was told that I shouldn't bother with any filters till I have a solid grasp of basic photography. I also came across similar advice in some videos I've been watching. If I get a filter for my kit lens, will I be able to use it on another one? I guess not? Also, do you have any suggestion as to what would be the best choice for the D3100 kit lens?

Check the inside of your lens cap or the front of your lens, it will give you the size in mm (millimeters). That is the size of the screw on filter you need. If you have more than 1 lens the same size it will fit them as well.

Best choice? "you get what you pay for" is the only way to say it.
 
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The exif data is as follows for the shot i posted.

Shooting Mode Shutter-Priority AE
Tv( Shutter Speed ) 6
Av( Aperture Value ) 5.6
Metering Mode Evaluative Metering
Exposure Compensation 0
ISO Speed 100
Auto ISO Speed OFF
Lens EF28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
Focal Length 28.0mm
Image Quality RAW
White Balance Mode Auto
AF Mode One-Shot AF
Picture Style Landscape
 
Thanks for the reply, the other one on there is only £20 though - will that be any better?! It still sounds cheap. It does say it's reduced from £40:

Hama 58mm Variable Neutral Density Filter: Amazon.co.uk: Camera & Photo

If not, could you recommend one?

I'm not familiar with Hama (the second one you linked) in fact I can't say I've even ever heard of them. It looks almost exactly like the polaroid branded ND filters that are sold here in the US, which it probably is and is just rebranded. If that's the case, it's not awful, but isn't good either.

Here is a good 4 stop filter: Hoya 58mm PRO-1 Digital ND16 Filter: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics

If you want one where you can control the level of the filter: Hoya 58mm Variable Density Filter A58VDY B&H Photo Video
 
Wow, I learned alot from this question. I read, but it being explained in relationship to a photo helped a lot. Thank you for your time and advice:)
 

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