Mirrorless sales closing the gap on DSLR.

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  1. cgw

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    Battery grips for the Fuji XT models even things up, making them Nikon FE/FM size and very comfortable for all-day shooting. My X100T needed the Fuji metal grip for my large hands but then that's why they make 'em. BTW, I rarely see a Nikon prosumer+ body that's not bulked-up with a battery grip.

    Several busy wedding shooters I know happily bought into Fuji. They don't miss the Nikon tonnage around their necks or over their shoulders. They don't seem worried that clients might consider the Fujis less than adequate simply for not looking "pro" enough. They're not getting complaints about IQ, either.

    Should be fun to see if Nikon's upcoming MILC proves to be as disruptive as Fuji's MILCs. They're asking for trouble IMHO with a new lens mount and an F-mount adapter that will have to work perfectly straight from the box. Lots riding on their next roll of the dice.


     
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    perhaps - but that "mirrorless stuff" may be less expensive
    but yes, it won't do anything for those who think the small and light mirrorless cameras are uncomfortable
    www.flickr.com/photos/mmirrorless
     
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    "Feel" should be the last thing one considers when choosing a camera. But then I am speaking as a former professional, which most likely, has a much different mindset than a hobbyist. I think that most all modern interchangeable lens digital cameras are all similarly designed for the average and basic human hand. Personally, while I tend to favor some control placements ... I know that over time I will be able to adapt to new and different camera bodies and configurations. It is much more a mental thing than a physical thing. (If the photog has extremely large hands it will be difficult to adapt to a very small camera. Conversely those with very small hands will find it difficult to adapt to a big camera. But those types of considerations are the exceptions. There are always exceptions.)

    But, (the big but), for most of us to optimize our equipment, (tripod use notwithstanding), we need to 'harmonize' with our equipment. The lenses become an extension of our eyes and the camera synergies into our hands. The photog knows where every 'common' control lays without having to remove their eye from the viewfinder. The technical part becomes automatic or semi-automatic and the photog uses most of his energy and brain power focusing on visualization of the final image, the image in the viewfinder and anticipating the next image and what is required to capture the next and anticipated image as it has appeared in their mind. Harmonizing with one's equipment requires a lot of time behind the viewfinder, shooting and shooting and shooting. The more hardware you have, the longer it will take to harmonize with all your lenses and stuff. (Speaking from personal experience, when one has limited brain power, harmonizing with the equipment is useful.)
     
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    I find my Pentax K-01 to be rather comfortable. Of course, the damn thing is almost as large and bulky as a DSLR; had to be, to use the same lens mount. Ugly as sin, but for a medium tele-wide angle lens, it works pretty well.
     
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    I find my Fuji’s to be sexy ... especially the XP2.
     
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    Agreed. I do think that in any endevour, how one interacts with equipment does influence results. I was flying a glass cockpit airplane recently. My airplane has a more traditional layout. I mentioned this in passing to the instructor as I was looking away from the panel to clear a turn. By the time my eyes return to the panel she had configure it to what I was accustomed too but all I noticed at first was how at home I felt. It took a while to register that the layout had changed. The more modern layout is far superior and I would use it if I had a choice but like everything it takes a while to adjust and in that adjustment period results will invariably suffer before they improve. Professionals have an incentive to adjust to change.
     
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    5,10 or 15 yrs folk will wonder what a DSLR was :)
     
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    So, apparently, "feel" is meaningless and worthless. Try an Argus C3, a.k.a. The Brick, and then try another camera of its era (which was from 1938 to 1968). The Brick felt like crap, and had absolutely shitty ergonomics. The most successful cameras of the era, the Rolleiflex models, the Leica M3, and the Nikon F, had by comparison, a "feel" that was extraordinarily good.

    When I talk about feel, and when most people talk about feel, they're talking about ergonomics --not the tactile sensation of the leather,or the Bakelite, or the metals used. When we talk about feel, what we really mean is usability, and the actual ergonomics. Let's use words accurately. Feel is another word for ergonomics, and not tactile hand feel of soft leather, or polished metals,etc., etc.

    But apparently ergonomics are absolutely the last thing one needs to concern oneself with. It has been written.

    Mirrorless sales are on the increase, in an already flat camera market, where the majority of people already have a DSLR,and/or a smart phone camera. Apparently minuscule sales numbers in North America and South America mean that they're closing the gap though. It has been written.
     
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    Every time before I have got any camera, I have gone to our local Jessops to hold and feel to make sure I can get my hands and fingers just how I want. As they know I will buy they let you the buyer even try it out too.
     
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    I should buy another battery less oops I mean mirrorless Camera.Not I like shooting for a couple days or a 1000 shot give or take on a single charge which ever occurs first.
     
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    Hello says Jessops, can I help you
    Hi I say, yes I am looking for a good all round DSLR
    Jessops, hang on a moment please Sir
    Me, well officer I came in to buy a DSLR
    Police, ok your nicked..lol
     
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    When I looked at the chart presented, my first thought was that for a product to be on the increase over another, you have to have one going up an equal amount to the other's decrease, but that wasn't the case. It appears more a case of mirrorless showing moderate increases in an overall declining market brought on by the popularity of cell phones.

    I also have to agree with Derrel that ergonomics is important. There was an earlier comment by Barbarian on his K-01 "Of course, the damn thing is almost as large and bulky as a DSLR; had to be, to use the same lens mount. Ugly as sin" As I noted earlier the mirrorless K-01 has been on the market for years, eliminated the starting over on lenses problem, and still didn't take off. Maybe the "Ugly as Sin" and "bulky" does have something to do with it.
     
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