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  1. beagle100

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    I'm waiting for the 6D2


     
  2. donny1963

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    Most Nikon Camera's Compared to Canon, has much less noise, better dynamic rage as well.
    It took some time for Canon to get back in the game to compete with Nikon, but finally did it with the new Canon 5DS, at 50MP..
    But still rather go with Nikon vs Canon.
     
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    Yeah Nikon has been #1 for the past few years, until this year, when Canon finally did it with the new Canon 5DS, at 50MP.. it beats the Nikon D810
    But still rather go with Nikon vs Canon.
     
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    Sometimes Canon rules - sometimes Nikon rules - the only loser is your wallet
     
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    donny1963 No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    Both Nikon & Canon are great brands, they both compete against one another they have been for years, but they are the 2 top brands still.

    The way i see it, choosing between either Nikon Or Canon is not so much quality or performance anymore because they both perform great, it's really a matter of what you want to do, and also part being familiar with it's operations (controls) what your use to, and also the way specific features of the camera work.
    So really it's a matter of preference these days between the 2, But one note , i have to admit, Canon has been and still a bit ahead of Nikon in the availability in the quality of lenses, for instance the Canon 70-200 Lens is slightly better then the one you can get for Nikon.
     
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    I agree, Canon has better "IQ" image quality, megapixels (in some models) and a better and cheaper lens selection but Nikon can still be an option for some people --- as well as Sony for mirrorless cameras
     
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    actually there is only 1 canon model that beats the Nikon models so far and that is the Canon 5DS, at 50MP, all the other canon models are at 24 MP not 35 which Nikon's D810 is
     
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    Ok, so to clear a few things up here, Canon does not have superior "IQ" in the vast majority of cameras when compared with their Nikon equivalents. It's the other way around.

    Canon has recently released a 50 MP camera, but the body itself is $3500 so it's not exactly targeted at your average user. You might also wish to note that despite it's high MP rating it does not deliver better overall IQ in most situations, at least according to most of the reviews I've seen:

    Fstoppers Reviews The Canon 5DsR, Sony A7RII, and Nikon D810 | Fstoppers

    Canon makes some fine cameras, of that there is no doubt. Really the biggest difference in final results will be determined by the skill and knowledge of the photographer, not by whether or not they are shooting with a Canon, Nikon, Sony, etc.

    If I were to switch to Canon tomorrow and not tell anyone, then post shots without EXIF I doubt most people would even notice. Likewise if some of the folks here shooting Canon were to do the same and switch to Nikon, it's doubtful anyone would know unless they announced it publicly.
     
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    Ok, so to clear a few things up here, Canon does not have superior "IQ" in the vast majority of cameras when compared with their Nikon equivalents. It's the other way around.

    Canon has recently released a 50 MP camera, but the body itself is $3500 so it's not exactly targeted at your average user. You might also wish to note that despite it's high MP rating it does not deliver better overall IQ in most situations, at least according to most of the reviews I've seen:"




    Your Completely wrong on that, Let me tell you how i researched this and what made me do it.
    I was shooting with Canon, and i been doing portrait and weddings with it, the 5D Mark III using my Holy Trinity of lenses,
    The Canon 10-24 the Tamron 24-70 F2.8 and the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM Lens Which is my fav lens..
    When i discovered about Nikon having better dynamic range and more MP i thought about trading in all my canon lenses and gear and just Go Nikon and get better overall Image Quality and sharpness. Becuase the truth is.

    If you compair the Canon 5Dmark III 24MP camera, Vs the Nikon D800E 36MP camera.
    with the 24-70 lens the canan gets 18 P-MP but the Nikon it's 21 P-MP
    With the T 24-70 for canan you get 18 P-MP Nikon it's 23 P-MP
    With the 600 F4 for Canon you get 20 P-MP but Nikon you get 24 P-MP
    and the Tamron 24-70 that is one of my fav lenses and there is a substantial
    diference in MP 18 MP vs 23 MP
    So in that perspective the Nikon with that lens is giving you about 25% more detail, and 50% more pixels with the Nikon.
    So the Nikon Bodies are better, because they use better sony sensors..

    With the Canon and with my most favorite lens the Canon 70-200 f2.8 with image stabilization
    If you measure the effective focal Length, it ends up being about 70-195 MM at headshot range,
    when taking a portrait, So Dxomark measures the sharpness of it when attached to the 5D mark III a at about 21 MP, 5d mark III is a 24 mp camera.

    But wait!!!


    But with the Nikon the effective focal range is 60-130 MM.
    Which is a huge diference from 70-200
    so if i want to get the same subject size i need to move like 75% closer to my subject.
    you don't have the same working distance..
    It also means your not getting as much compression of the facial features, or as much backgroud blur

    with Nikon using that lens on the D800E your getting 27 P-MP so that's about 30% more detail then canon..

    But my problem is, you can't get to the same focal length with Nikon like you can with canon.

    and as far as i'm concerned i can't sacrifice that 200 MM.
    About 70% of my shots with that lens is at that 200 MM, so that is a huge problem for me.
    That means i can't replace that canon 70-200 with the nikon version..
    I'm out of luck there.

    that lens at the 200 Range is a key element for doing my wedding photography using full frame..
    and if you look at DXOMARK's measurements that range is a ****.. I'm losing all the good sharpness, it's in the RED!!!
    So then i thought i could solve this by picking up the 200MM 2.8 Prime, but that doesn't excist for Nikon..

    So that is how i realized that, Yes Canon's Lenses give you better sharpness and IQ then the Nikon lenses do overall, because i checked that out on many of the lenses, and my holy trinity of lenses all the Canon's Lenses in that trinity which is what i use, is better then the Nikon versions..


    Here is a picture Canon Vs Nikon 70-200 lens sharpness measurements..




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    And that is why i mentioned earlier about using Kit lenses, some one stated that kit lenses are great, but here is why i stay away from them and why you do lose quality of what your camera is capable of..
    if use a Nikon D7100 and get a Nikon 18-55 Kit lens vs the Sigma 18-35 1.8 your going to see a huge difference in IQ, hands down..
    Who ever said that Kit lenses can produce just as good IQ as the higher quality more expensive lenses is foolish to say that, look at the DXOMARK Measurements, Green is good, RED is BAD!! where do you see any good in that kit lens? Pretty much no where on that spectrum does that kit lens 18-55 show any green, it's mostly red and orange with a bit of yellow..
    Try and tell me that 18-55 can compete with that sigma 18-35 art lens?

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    I said nothing about kit lenses at all, no clue where that came from. As for the rest, all zoom lenses, and yes that includes those made by canon, are subject to focus breathing. Granted the nikkor 70-200mm vrii is a heavy breather, but the 134 you mention applies at a focus distance of like 1.4m as I recall. As the focus distance increases so does your effective focal length. Same thing happens with all zooms, though not all of them breath as heavily. The tamron 70-200mm vc is pretty close in numbers to the canon from what I understand. So sorry but the argument simply doesn't hold water.

    Look, canon makes a great camera and some nice lenses and for some folks depending on what they do canon would make a better choice than Nikon. The reverse is also true, for some folks Nikon is a better choice. But no one is served by misinformation.

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    No, your argument really doesn't hold water. First, the 134mm effective focal length you mention applies to only one lens, and only af the minimum focus distance of 1.4m. You made sound as if the effective focal length was always 134mm which is BS. You also completely failed to mention that the Canon lens suffers from focus breathing as well, instead you wished the reader to infer that the canon was always 200mm regardless of focus distance. Which, is BS.

    Frankly for IQ at 200mm or any other focal length, the D810 is going to out do your MKIII under the same conditions, just as DXOMark indicates. Focus breathing? Well if you know what it is and how to compensate for it, it really isn't that big of a deal. Not too many people shoot a person from 1.4m at 200mm anyway. Not unless your wanting a great closeup of their nostril hair.

    Does that mean I think you should rush out and by a D810? Nope. If you like your MKIII keep your MKIII. Knowing how to use your equipment is more important than the equipment itself, and honestly the numbers aside you'd have to pixel peep the crap out of the final results to really be able to tell the difference anyway.
     

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