Schooling vs. Self-taught

I'll ignore the "intelligent response" remark and move on. It becomes a moot point coming from someone who can't put a sentence together.

The old adage is: Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. What the old saying implies is that some people just can't make it in the real world...we've all heard that one before too. Be it their skills aren't up to snuff, they're just slackers in general, or whatever the case may be. Instead of being in their chosen profession, because they are basically no good at it, they are delegated to teaching others how to do it. That's the closest they'll ever get.

The study I was referring to pointed out that students who enter the College of Education to become future teachers do not show very high aptitude compared to others, such as the College of Business, Law, or even Art. The statistics also showed that most applicants to the College of Education had previously applied to other fields of study and been rejected. This is essentially proof that the old adage is in fact, true. These students couldn't get into the line of study and eventual work they initially chose, and instead became teachers. These teachers largely work at government-run facilities such as public schools and 4-year universities.

Many private college professors are not teachers. They are all businessmen and women who are successful in the private sector. To teach by proxy for distance learning, I believe you must have at least a Master's Degree in your field with X years of experience to boot. Being a teacher by profession is quite different from being a professional who also teaches. That makes sense if you read it twice.

At any rate, the bottom line is this:

A degree in Photojournalism from a university certainly has its place. If one wants to pursue a career as a freelancer, for example. Or has aspirations to working for a high profile ad agency or design studio. Or even for someone who might one day return for that education degree and teach photography at the university level. But for someone who wants to open their own photography business? No. It's virtually useless.

The same person might better benefit from an online course, such as those offered from NYIP or others. These have a more practical and hands-on approach, and cost a heck of a lot less. I don't know if these course teach business principals and marketing, and if they don't, I would say their value would be a lot less. Future customers are not likely to be impressed with a certificate from a correspondence-type school, so it's hard to gauge the real value of this type of schooling.

The cheapest and most practical education is experience, much like with skilled trades. Welding and mechanics are skilled trades, and there's not much reading involved. We'd all take Paulie from OCC over Albert Einstein to build a motorcycle any day. The arts are much the same way. We don't necessarily care if someone has a degree, we just want to see a portfolio of work. If Jane graduated from the NYU School of Fancypants and played for the philharmonic orchestra, that's all well and good. It impresses people. But if she picks up her cello and sounds like crap, none of that matters. She won't find much work in the private sector. The same is true with photography.
 
I'll ignore the "intelligent response" remark and move on. It becomes a moot point coming from someone who can't put a sentence together.

OOo big response from someone quoting a fictional comic.

I'll ignore your response and call it even. The study you quote only points out a disparity between the other Colleges versus the College of Education in terms of entrance criteria.. no more .. no less. If someone "can't do.. teaches" you are inferring that they were formally trained to "do" something and couldn't apply those skills in the "Real" world. If one never was trained.. then simply they were incapable in the first place.

If you can't see what's right in front of your nose and make an appropriate conclusion then you aren't worth it.
 
btw... I at one time was training to be a teacher during the massive unemployment that occured within the software industry in 2001. There are key issues here:

* The requirements for someone not formally studied within Education to become a teach is extremely high. I was required to take advanced science and mathematics (college) exams to just qualify for teaching basic math to the very young or basic computing to teens. (I had to take both exams because they have yet to create an examine for computer science) Even then.... I would be required to take on lower positions for 2 years (with almost no pay) in order to be accepted. During this time 90% of those either realize its not worth it or find a "real" position in the workforce.
* The pay for teachers are not at par considering the requirements, expertise (in some cases) and the difficult work required. Any parent will agree... it isn't easy doing their job. The good teachers are often lost to find better paying jobs in the private sector.
* It requires a degree (of some sort) in Education in order to climb the socialistic educational system. You can be a PhD in science and be the best bio teacher in the entire district but your options are still limited.
* Working for very low base pay while the bureaucratic system pays out supers of a district between $150-300k a year is demoralizing to say the least.
* It isn't an easy job by any measure...

Simply stating that teachers people who fall into "those that can't do" is over simplistic, ignorant, and quite insulting....
 
I personally have taken a few business and marketing classes but this was way before I started my business. I have not actually taken any photography classes yet I would like to take an editing class since that is what I need to learn more of for myself! I taught myself how to use my camera I did finally start reading books on my camera to learn all the options before I started my business.
 
btw... I at one time was training to be a teacher

At last the truth rears its ugly head. I figured as much. A teacher's job is not easy, I'll give you that. It takes a special kind of person to do it and be good at it. But that doesn't mean they get a free pass.

Those who graduate from college with a degree in education have about a 95% job placement rate in their field, at least in my state. The figures vary nationwide, but they're always leaps and bounds ahead of other areas of study.

Because of teacher unions, this profession is guaranteed structured pay raises and additional guaranteed raises if they further their education with a Master's or PhD. That's very hard to find elsewhere. Teachers do not receive low pay by any means. Considering their work hours and having 2-3 months vacation every year in addition to just about every holiday known to man. Also PERS, the best retirement on the planet. This combined with a benefits package that would make most CEO's jealous adds value to the package as well.

Many go on to administrative jobs, such as Principals and Superintendents, where salary figures reach into the six figure ranges. A recent addition to a nearby school district features a Superintendent who draws a salary of $480 per day. I've read his into letter...the man can't even spell, yet he makes more money in a day than a lot of people make in a week.

But anyway, this is all beside the point. It's just amusing that some people still think teachers have the short end of the stick.
 
At last the truth rears its ugly head. I figured as much. A teacher's job is not easy, I'll give you that. It takes a special kind of person to do it and be good at it. But that doesn't mean they get a free pass.

That's not the only thing in this thread that is ugly.... keep on generalizing and oversimplifying... at some point it starts to sound solid.. it is not.

You also forgot that (in general.. in NJ and IIRC, TX) administrative (supers etc.) are not part of the union. And no... teachers do not get paid well (good benefits) and a whole bunch just got laid off this year. Avg is $56k (starting is $36k) and to put things into perspective Avg house costs $342k. Compare this to

NJ Spotlight | Q&A: School Superintendents' Salaries

More research is in order. From your first post.. you've been drawing incorrect conclusions. Your resource that specifically points out low scores for entering students into the College of Education. nothing more nothing less. From that you cannot conclude that this supports that the teaching profession holds the old saying "Those that can't do, teach" true. In fact, its pretty insulting to the profession. Your generalized blame on teachers for bloated Principles and Supers fail to recognize that those at that level are not part of the teacher's union and the salaries are not comparable.

btw.. My wife is an independent contractor (therapist for children of special needs) working in the same school districts (not part union). We know exactly what goes on. You are dead wrong....

In the end, I was lucky to have enough marketable skill to enter into the private sector with much better earnings. (yes.. I do have a problem with education always taking a back seat in politics)

Oh by the way.... its not that teachers have the short end of the stick.. the children are left with the short end.
 
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btw... I at one time was training to be a teacher during the massive unemployment that occured within the software industry in 2001.

Doesn't this in itself prove the adage to be true? You couldn't do, so you decided to teach. Not for lack of skill or aptitude, but because of the market.

This could go on for days, and at the end, neither one of us is going to concede anything. Gotta love internet anonymity. We can agree to disagree and move on.
 
Doesn't this in itself prove the adage to be true? You couldn't do, so you decided to teach. Not for lack of skill or aptitude, but because of the market.

Nope its called job search...

I've been told many time that I explain and teach technical topics very well. That, combined with some experience dealing with children caused me to investigate that venue.

I also looked into auto mechanics as I have worked a garage prior

I also looked into portrait photography as I have some wedding photography experience.

Do auto mechanics and portrait photographers deserve the same treatment as teachers? I actually believe teachers deserve better.

We can agree to disagree and move on.

Yup...
 

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