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If your absolute ceiling is $800, I would counsel you AGAINST getting ANY dSLR. Although you can easily enter at that level, you will want accessories as you progress -- tripods, flashes, additional memory cards, batteries, and, of course, GLASS. This adds up very quickly. You might consider a high-end bridge camera (for example, a Panasonic Lumix Z28 among many other excellent choices).
if we're talking an 800 budget right NOW...i disagree with this...a beginner kit can be had for less (as you stated)...the need for more (and better) glass, light, and accessories doesnt have to be immediate. those things can be saved up for.
check resellerratings.com before you pull the trigger on any bundle package off the web.
*EDIT*
i may have missed the part about spending 800 TOTAL on the hobby FOREVER...if thats the case, then yeah...DSLR is not for you.
but trust us....if you love the hobby...you will want to spend more money on it.
Thanks learned something new. But still its a good idea to replace it. I haven't yet but I need to find something first.1 yes it is better than the 18-55, no offence to any conon users but they have the worst quality kit glass.
In case you may not aware of, the XSi shipped with a newer updated kit lens and it is pretty sharp lens.
Reviews
Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS - Test Report / Review
Canon Lens: Zooms - Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS (Tested) - SLRgear.com!
I would like a camera I can control the settings on....shutter speed, AF/manual focus, ISO, etc...all that stuff my point and shoot has rudimentary settings for, but I can't fine tune it......
Thanks learned something new. But still its a good idea to replace it. I haven't yet but I need to find something first.1 yes it is better than the 18-55, no offence to any conon users but they have the worst quality kit glass.
In case you may not aware of, the XSi shipped with a newer updated kit lens and it is pretty sharp lens.
Reviews
Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS - Test Report / Review
Canon Lens: Zooms - Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS (Tested) - SLRgear.com!
Can everyone agree that his best buy, starting out ( and assuming an $800 budget) , would be a a dSLR body (XS or XSI if he wants Canon ) and then a medium range telephoto lense that is halfway decent?