The death of C&C

[AlanKlein]

Cheryl: I checked your pictures and they're very creative. I find that more women shoot better than men because they're more concerned about aesthetics and others things beside mechanics that men seem more concerned with. They're not pixel peepers like the boys.

The older I get the more I wonder if this isn't accidentally the result of the fact that the "arts" tend to be a hobby/school interest that "TENDS" to be marketed and focused more toward girls than boys. Ergo that when you get older and into adults you get more girls doing photography from an artistic background, whilst more guys are doing it from a lesser artistic background (often specifically because they "can't draw or do art").

Well, all I can draw is stick figures. So photography gives me an outlet for some creativity. But I also have to add that like other guys I often get caught up in the mechanics of photography. Boys do like mechanical things. Girls are more touchy-feely and photos speak to their heart more than us guys. Just the way it is.

 

[Designer]

This thread is starting to come off the rails. I don't think anyone can make a valid argument that girls or boys are better at art. Everyone is different, and we all have different experiences with art.

 

[gk fotografie]

Cheryl: I checked your pictures and they're very creative. I find that more women shoot better than men because they're more concerned about aesthetics and others things beside mechanics that men seem more concerned with. They're not pixel peepers like the boys.

Cheryl: I checked your pictures and they're very creative. I find that more women shoot better than men because they're more concerned about aesthetics and others things beside mechanics that men seem more concerned with. They're not pixel peepers like the boys.

The older I get the more I wonder if this isn't accidentally the result of the fact that the "arts" tend to be a hobby/school interest that "TENDS" to be marketed and focused more toward girls than boys. Ergo that when you get older and into adults you get more girls doing photography from an artistic background, whilst more guys are doing it from a lesser artistic background (often specifically because they "can't draw or do art").

Well, all I can draw is stick figures. So photography gives me an outlet for some creativity. But I also have to add that like other guys I often get caught up in the mechanics of photography. Boys do like mechanical things. Girls are more touchy-feely and photos speak to their heart more than us guys. Just the way it is.

Wow, that is quite sexist and old-fashioned, stereotypical thinking about women and men in 2020!
I think it's high time to close this thread.

 

[terri]

Well, this IS in the Discussion forum, and folks are just expressing opinions - as they are wont to do within the confines of a discussion.

I would ask that comments stay more in line with what could be useful in the C&C Gallery.

That said, if the OP is satisfied, this particular thread could be closed and further suggestions be directed to our Feedback & Suggestions forum. We're looking at you, @zulu42 !

Regardless, there is little to be gained by lobbing personal attacks on other members and is actually in violation of TPF guidelines. Take it down a notch.

 

[paigew]

Cheryl: I checked your pictures and they're very creative. I find that more women shoot better than men because they're more concerned about aesthetics and others things beside mechanics that men seem more concerned with. They're not pixel peepers like the boys.

The older I get the more I wonder if this isn't accidentally the result of the fact that the "arts" tend to be a hobby/school interest that "TENDS" to be marketed and focused more toward girls than boys. Ergo that when you get older and into adults you get more girls doing photography from an artistic background, whilst more guys are doing it from a lesser artistic background (often specifically because they "can't draw or do art").

Photography is still a male dominated field. Art has been male dominated for centuries.

 

[Overread]

Cheryl: I checked your pictures and they're very creative. I find that more women shoot better than men because they're more concerned about aesthetics and others things beside mechanics that men seem more concerned with. They're not pixel peepers like the boys.

The older I get the more I wonder if this isn't accidentally the result of the fact that the "arts" tend to be a hobby/school interest that "TENDS" to be marketed and focused more toward girls than boys. Ergo that when you get older and into adults you get more girls doing photography from an artistic background, whilst more guys are doing it from a lesser artistic background (often specifically because they "can't draw or do art").

Photography is still a male dominated field. Art has been male dominated for centuries.

Oh true. However I wasn't really making a call on who does and doesn't do photography, but simply theorising on the different backgrounds behind people with a rough gender divide. In this case suggesting that more women come into photography with an artistic background; whilst more men come with a less artistic background - and then suggesting that this difference might be the result of how it might be due to how children are (or at least have been) raised and focused toward different hobbies/interests during their upbringing.

Of course such things are often only ever very generalist unless one has the resources to do a proper study. My view is that "art" isn't a mythological thing which you have to be "born with" nor something that is particularly biased in terms of gender. Instead its something you can be taught and which can be learned. However how its presented to many and how its not well taught to many creates these illusions that surround art.

 

[AlanKlein]

Cheryl: I checked your pictures and they're very creative. I find that more women shoot better than men because they're more concerned about aesthetics and others things beside mechanics that men seem more concerned with. They're not pixel peepers like the boys.

The older I get the more I wonder if this isn't accidentally the result of the fact that the "arts" tend to be a hobby/school interest that "TENDS" to be marketed and focused more toward girls than boys. Ergo that when you get older and into adults you get more girls doing photography from an artistic background, whilst more guys are doing it from a lesser artistic background (often specifically because they "can't draw or do art").

Photography is still a male dominated field. Art has been male dominated for centuries.

Oh true. However I wasn't really making a call on who does and doesn't do photography, but simply theorising on the different backgrounds behind people with a rough gender divide. In this case suggesting that more women come into photography with an artistic background; whilst more men come with a less artistic background - and then suggesting that this difference might be the result of how it might be due to how children are (or at least have been) raised and focused toward different hobbies/interests during their upbringing.

Of course such things are often only ever very generalist unless one has the resources to do a proper study. My view is that "art" isn't a mythological thing which you have to be "born with" nor something that is particularly biased in terms of gender. Instead its something you can be taught and which can be learned. However how its presented to many and how its not well taught to many creates these illusions that surround art.

I didn't want to start a controversy. But I think how a person looks at things defines how they will do a C&C. Leaving aside male vs female traits, how one looks at a picture defines how they will critique it. For example, someone who concentrates on the technical aspect will bring up things like rules of thirds, focus, exposure, resolution, etc. Touchy feely people will bring up the feelings it elicits. People shots are more important, landscapes less so. Relationships of the people in the photo are more important. The technical aspect may be ignored. I think getting responses from both types are important to improve your photography. We don't get enough of the latter touchy-feely stuff, I believe. Maybe because more men critique?

 

[Tropicalmemories]

Perhaps we should close this thread?

We seem to prefer spending our time theorizing about feedback and the impact of gender bias on photography than providing actual critique.

It's interesting that at the same time this thread started, I happened to post a photo asking for C&C. I got zero replies in the time this thread reached 8 pages.

But I'm optimistic that the new C&C Gallery will help us all get valuable feedback on our images to improve our skills - so thank you all in advance.

 

[paigew]

There are no hard feelings here, I am a member from way back when harsh critique was the norm here I honestly feel like I learned so much here on this forum from the harsh critique I got. As I moved farther along in my career/artform I realized I didn't want critique on my work. I shoot for me, and most often, I DGAF if anyone likes them. Occasionally I do want professional critique, and since I have paying clients I don't find it appropriate to ask for feedback on a public forum. I have a few select peers that help me with that sort of thing.

As to the gender thing. I 100% agree that especially on forums like this you will see a big difference in the way men and women shoot. This is, IMO more of a technical forum. If you went to a forum more focused on the artistic/creative/experimental photography, you would probably see a lot more creative shots from both genders. I would be interested to see how many men vs women are here on TPF, I feel like there are way more men (actively participating).

 

[CherylL]

Cheryl: I checked your pictures and they're very creative. I find that more women shoot better than men because they're more concerned about aesthetics and others things beside mechanics that men seem more concerned with. They're not pixel peepers like the boys.

I'm actually 1/2 techie and 1/2 creative. I want to know the how and why things work.

 

[paigew]

Cheryl: I checked your pictures and they're very creative. I find that more women shoot better than men because they're more concerned about aesthetics and others things beside mechanics that men seem more concerned with. They're not pixel peepers like the boys.

I'm actually 1/2 techie and 1/2 creative. I want to know the how and why things work.

Same!

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[CherylL]

Photography is still a male dominated field. Art has been male dominated for centuries.

Videography and motion graphics are male dominated fields too. I have 1 female video friend and about 100 male video friends. I know zero female After Effects users. Which AE is highly techie plus you have to be creative do apply that tech. I started video in 2003 and then motion graphics later. I felt discounted because I was female, but slowly gained respect. Interesting that some men on another forum would pm me questions, but not in the open forum.

@Tropicalmemories, sorry I missed your post. I've asked for C&C recently and got 2 good feedbacks. Another set about a month ago did get a few more. Hopefully with this thread there will be more participation on C&C and I will do my part.

 

[paigew]

Photography is still a male dominated field. Art has been male dominated for centuries.

Videography and motion graphics are male dominated fields too. I have 1 female video friend and about 100 male video friends. I know zero female After Effects users. Which AE is highly techie plus you have to be creative do apply that tech. I started video in 2003 and then motion graphics later. I felt discounted because I was female, but slowly gained respect. Interesting that some men on another forum would pm me questions, but not in the open forum.

@Tropicalmemories, sorry I missed your post. I've asked for C&C recently and got 2 good feedbacks. Another set about a month ago did get a few more. Hopefully with this thread there will be more participation on C&C and I will do my part.

I dabble in videography! I use final cut though.

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[CherylL]

I dabble in videography! I use final cut though.

Premiere Pro for me. Not a Mac user. I've heard good things about Final Cut.

 

[AlanKlein]

Cheryl: I checked your pictures and they're very creative. I find that more women shoot better than men because they're more concerned about aesthetics and others things beside mechanics that men seem more concerned with. They're not pixel peepers like the boys.

I'm actually 1/2 techie and 1/2 creative. I want to know the how and why things work.

Same!

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Tech can be taught. Inspiration is magical. And rare.