Video: Stopped for taking photos of white house

Discussion in 'Photographic Discussions' started by prodigy2k7, Nov 15, 2011.

  1. molested_cow

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    I wasn't talking about driver's license. I was talking about passport, visa papers etc. It's ridiculous to ask a foreigner, living or working in the country, to carry around such important documents all the time. BTW the "visa" isn't a convenient piece of card. It's literally letter sized papers, many pieces of them. These documents belong to the safe, not your wallet.


    How would you feel if you are required to have your car title deed with you ALL the time while you are driving the car?

    In my previous job, I interact with different law enforcement agencies and study the way they do their jobs. While some stay on the job because they understand its true value, most are there because of the pay check, or because they get to kick asses legally. Put it this way, 99% of the time, they have a reeeaaallllyyy boring job. Sometimes, if excitement doesn't come to them, they create some for themselves.


     
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    I agree with the comments above. I watched the video and from the beginning was ready to take sides with the photographers, but about halfway though I found myself thinking that the guy was smarmy and kind of an ass, and ultimately sided with the cops.
     
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    LOL at all the 'SS' remarks. The guy very obviously is there to cause trouble. It almost seemed like he started to get annoyed that the officers didn't escalate things more. He clearly has a really poor understanding of his rights and what it means to be arrested and what it means to be questioned. What it seems like very clearly he was hoping to get the officers in trouble the entire time. The officers seemed to be like 'jesus, just give us the answers we want and we'll just let you go, quit trying to bait us.'

    Also, the title was highly misleading, he was stopped because he was taking pictures detailing the security routines of the officers. Not for taking photos of the White House.

    He also has no idea what the Supreme Court has said, lol. He just keeps saying "you know what the supreme court says" but never actually gives anything.

    Also, lol at when he starts getting questions that indicate that he regularly tries to do this, he tries to change the subject for his camera.
     
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    This is totally the photographers fault, what an @sshole. It's your ID, come on what an idiot. If some stranger walking down the street said can I see your ID I'd probably say sure, who the hell cares? They should arrest this guy just for being a punk. If you try and show someone in a position of power that you know more than them then you deserve what is coming. I always am 100% honest with police, customs whatever. I have been let off from DUI, and illegal contraband I guess because I was honest with whoever was asking questions. I have brought Cuban cigars into the country and because I told the people when they asked the truth they didn't even take them away. I got pulled over once going 120mph and when they cop asked if I had been drinking I said yes and probably too much because it was pretty stupid going that fast and I just got a speeding ticket. There's no reason to find 20 ways to avoid answering a question when 1 way, answering correctly, would work so much faster. This guy doesn't value his time at all, he'd spend 24 hours in jail to prove a stupid point.
     
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    What a complete waste of our taxpayer $$. Those guys have nothing to do, so they all hang around this "crime scene" and take notes like they are in a training class or something. They make me sick. I don't feel it's right to have to provide them a license so they can run it, and keep it on record and do whatever gestapo tactics the letter of the law will allow them to. Not if I'm doing nothing wrong.
    All those questions they were asking him, I've been asked before by power hungry idiots just like them. They must have some comic book they all read to come up with the same retarded questions.
    So in the end, the only thing that was accomplished is that they harrassed the hell out of a citizen, got him to stop taking pictures ( would have been awesome if he stayed right there and continued to shoot ), and are going to waste some more time sending agents to his house to harass him some more.

    It's a crying shame and I am disgusted with it !
     
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    usually cops ask you questions like that to see your responce. to see if you get nervous. or hiding something etc. there more or less looking for yoru reaction not your responce. these guys were pretty tame and just doing there job. they were no where near power hungry. they didn't get out of line with the guy. they were always polite thru the entire thing.
     
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    Sorry dude, this is not bragging rights. Please don't drink and drive, especially 120mph. I'd like to live and my family to live a few more years.
     
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    Except for one thing. they were harassing him. Please tell me that you don't think they really thought he was a terrorist. They knew darn well that he was doing nothing wrong, and at most they knew he was baiting them. Is it really that easy to bait Secret Service ? Are they so gullible ? Nah, they are bored and have procedures designed to not give a rats behind about the bill of rights.
     
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    Except the guy has been warned several times to stop taking pictures of the security measures if he doesn't want to be asked questions about it. Sure, he has a right to take those pictures, but the police do have a right to ask questions about that sort of activity. The guy wasn't just taking pictures of the whitehouse lawn, he was taking pictures of the officers communicating with one another (as he admitted a few times on the video). Documenting how the security force works is one of the most questionable things you can do. Now, yes, they probably knew this kid was just causing trouble, but if they don't stop him, then they can't stop someone who does look like they are perhaps actually doing recon on the security without resorting to profiling.

    People don't want profiling, but then when a white kid gets busted for doing something that could be sold to terrorists, we're also up in arms about that, because he 'obviously wasn't a terrorist'. We can't have it both ways.

    I have friends that live in DC and take plenty of pictures of the whitehouse. This doesn't happen to any of them. This has happened to this kid several times. He's been questioned by agents multiple times (which they found out by running his info). He has some sort of vendetta against the secret service and is hoping he can bait them into doing something questionable. This was the best he could get.

    edit: also notice that he was completely ready for the situation, he orchestrated it, did something that he knew would get the secret service to react this way and was waiting with a video camera.
     
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    who am i to judge wether someone is a terrorist? if i saw timothy mc veigh walking down the street at the time i problaby wouldn't have thought he was a terrroist but look what he did. or are you trying to say that you can point out any terrorist walking down the street? he was taking pictures of security so they wanted to ask him a few questions.
     
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    Not bragging and it was years ago when I was young and stupid. I definitely don't drink and drive anymore, it's one of the stupidest things you can do and for something so easily avoidable it could cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars from losing a great job opportunity. I'm very against it and just mentioned it to prove a point, unfortunately some people don't learn at a young age.
     

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