Video: Stopped for taking photos of white house

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  1. tirediron

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    I suspect you may want to research that a little farther. I certainly can't speak for identity requirements in the US, but in Canada, while AFAIK, there is no law that says you have to carry your "papers", you do have to be able to prove your identity when demanded by someone (RCMP, etc) with the authority and reason to do so.


     
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    no, i just answered you question. reality is these guys sit there and there job is to catch the loons. the guys that jump over the fence trying to get in. the guys that shoot at the white house (just saw that they picked up a guy here today or yesterday that shot at a window) and these people that do this don't nessicarily fit the "terrorist" profile. ive seen police harrass people. ive seen cops on power trips. this was neither of those. you said that the secret service knew he wasn't a terrorist. again. how did they know that? they went over, asked the guys some questions. put up with his poor attitude and he was free to go. sorry but that is not harrasment.



    sorry looks like they have not caught the guy yet but they know who he is and are hunting for him.
     
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    did any officer in the video say he HAD to show his id? they asked for it i believe and he gave it to them. nothing wrong with that. i dont remember if they demanded it or said he absolutly had to. so again. nothing wrong in my eyes.
     
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    I wasn't referring to the video, rather responding to skieur's statement regarding the necessity to have/provide ID.
     
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    okay, gotcha.
     
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    You do have to be able to state your identity, if the police officer has reasonable suspicion. You do not have to be able to prove your identity, with documentation (unless you were operating a vehicle, or using airline transportation). You can then be arrested for not identifying yourself verbally, provided that the police officer's reasonable suspicion holds up. It's kind of a tricky area, since you can never be sure if the police officer does have reasonable suspicion, and if you turn out to be wrong about it, and they arrest you, then you're screwed.

    The kid's 'mistake' was providing his license, but I suspect the kid also knew that if he just walked away, he wouldn't get the secret service blowing up at him, which is probably what he wanted. Once he provided his license, they have the right to do a search on it in federal jurisdictions (which DC is). If he had asked them if he was free to go prior to giving them his license, they would be forced to say yes or no, if they said yes, he was free to go, he could just walk away, which isn't what I think the kid wanted. If the secret service had said no, he wasn't free to leave, then they'd have to be able to prove reasonable suspicion later on, which they probably didn't want to do.
     
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    I again think there's too much law talk, this isn't so much a law issue. They are not saying the guy has to have ID, I didn't watch the whole video cuz the guy pissed me off just listening to him, but I'm pretty sure never once did he say I'm sorry I have no ID with me could I just give you my name and date of birth or something to that affect. K I got another story that fits this also, when I was 18 I was driving through a bad area at like 1-2am and got pulled over for my license plate light being out. I didn't have my ID on me and the cop saw my backpack and said is there anything in your backpack with your name on it, I was like probably lets look. In his head he was probably thinking drug bust, but in my head I was thinking I'm not a criminal so he can do whatever he wants I just want to get on my way, thinking otherwise to me is a sign of guilt. Is this the world you want to live in alqeadadating.com ?
     
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    This isn't like the good old days anymore. When anybody asks for my ID, I want to know why they want it and what they are going to do with the INFORMATION. Remember, my license is INFORMATION. Why should I have to provide it to the police ? What gives them the authority to "run" me and potentially put my name on some hit list, just because they percieve I am acting suspiciously ?
    Sorry, I just happen to disagree with the status quo there. I don't feel I should provide my personal information to anyone unless it is MY choice or unless I am breaking the law.
     
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    well, regardless of what you think, you don't have to be actually breaking the law, just pass reasonable suspicion for them to require you to give your personal information. You can't be required to give your license or other 'papers' though, unless you're operating a vehicle, or flying. However, if you mislead the police about your identity, or refuse to identify yourself, and their reasonable suspicion holds up, then you can be arrested. You may disagree with that, but that's what the law is.
     
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    I guess personally I don't care what list I'm on. As long as they aren't doing deep cavity searches of me at the airport I'm good to go. Also it seems like the people that want to stay off these lists travel the least which makes even less sense to me. The only list I can think of is the travel terrorist watch type list, but maybe there's others I don't know about. I also have no information on my license that I haven't shared with millions of people in my life, information I would worry about letting out would be like the cure for cancer, or a car that drives on water. I don't really view my license as valuable information. But I do realize many people worry about theft and other things. Is it worth trying to avoid giving your ID to prove a point? Maybe to some it is, but I don't think that would put you in the pillars of society list. I'm huge anti-government pro freedom, I would over throw it in a second if I saw the ability to, but as it stands there is no advantage to me for giving someone a hard time for doing their job.
     
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    Ha ha I wish I could double like that. I didn't get to that part of the video, that's hilarious.
     

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