How is this legal?

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  1. Josh66

    Josh66 Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/newswire/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003692111

    This guy got $3.4 million for enlarging someone else's work. WTF!?
     
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    IMO, it is illegal. But nobody has pushed it. maybe?
     
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    Josh66 Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    When I first opened the article I thought, "wow, that looks just like a Marlboro ad", I couldn't believe it actually was one.

    I don't see how that is any different than me printing out any of the many photos on here and selling it as my own.
     
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    There is a difference, But I don't know enough about his stuff to garentee accuracy.

    But assuming I am reading it correctly, basically what it is that he is doing is along the lines of say, Photographing half to three quarters of the painting "Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte" and calling something else with no mention of Seurat and changing it's meaning. As opposed to forging or even steeling the painting and claiming it as their own. I think, more or less.


    Either way you look at it it's not right, but it may be a loop hole.
     
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    There may be a legal difference (I'm no lawyer...), but morally I think it is the same as stealing.

    I understand what you're saying, but even if it's just a portion of it - I still think it's stealing... I know you're not saying that it's OK, but even in the situation you're describing it's highly immoral in the least - and criminal in my opinion.
     
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    Do I get it right?
    This Richard Prince placed himself in front of a Marlboro poster, snapped part of it, and is now making 3.4 millions from that one little snap off something someone else had photographed before him?

    To me, that is ... yes: immoral (also per part of those who pay that amount of money for it!, as buying that photo for such a price adds to his believing he did immensely right and well!) and ... if illegal ... I don't know, but it sure, sure, sure does not feel right!

    But on the other hand I also fail to understand the buyers!
     
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    Yeah, I think that's pretty much how it went down.

    Imagine if this was your photo... I would be pissed.

    He basically just cropped someone else's work and sold it.
     
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    It just goes to show that there is, as Barnum is supposed to have said, a sucker born every minute.
    If Prince can find someone stupid enough to pay him that much money for so little effort then I can only wish him the very best of luck.

    And don't feel too badly for the guy who did the Marboro' add - he would have been very well paid for his work and anyway the client owns the copyright, not him. So if Prince is 'ripping off' anyone it is the tobacco company.
     
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    I think this serves to validate a discussion in another thread about marketing being the most important element of publicly-renowned photography. There are two reasons why people buy this jackass's photos: their novel size ("oh wow! It's HUGE!") and their controversial nature ("oh wow! It's NONCONFORMIST!").

    The buyers of "fine art" are, by and large, complete idiots. The artists that sell to them know this, and spend more time marketing than actually creating their work. Do you honestly think Prince thought it would be artistically meaningful to steal ad images and blow them up? Or did he simply know how the artistic buying community worked? Taking a cue from Warhol, he took a familiar image and made it bigger, and morons ate it up.

    Good for him. Why not make a few million off of gullible buyers?
     
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    I personally would not do this, probably because I have a soul, but congrats to him for making a ridiculous amount of money on someone else's work. 100 inches is still less then 10 feet, so this thing is not all that big. He probably used a digital medium format, or maybe even a large format camera, did some cropping and called it good. Talk about an easy life of work (who wouldn't be able to live the rest of their life on the 2 million he made if they invested right).
     
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    Art at it's dumbest, but hey, if the big bucks are in snapping someone else's work then maybe it's worth a shot.
     

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