selling my first photo

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  1. ajmall

    ajmall TPF Noob!

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    hi,

    i am a student and have just sold my first photograph to a client of a friends design consultancy. i was asked my fee but never having sold a photograph i don't have a scooby doo (clue)!

    it's a shot of the england rugby team on their victory parade.

    thanks for your help and any of that is appreciated!

    Andrew
     
  2. ksmattfish

    ksmattfish Now 100% DC - not as cool as I once was, but still

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    Do you have a release from the rugby team? You might want to check on the legalities. There have been lot's of discussions on this here (you might do a search for "legal"), but you should talk to a lawyer who knows the laws of your area.
     
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    vonnagy have kiwi, will travel...

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    good point ksmattfish.

    funny you should say that i sold my first three photos yesterday. I went on the web to find out what other photogs where charging for similar shots (an 8x10 NZ landscape print averages around $70 NZD) Since mine where digital and I had to take them to town to print with no idea what the outcome would be, i charged half that. When I get my website going like it should I will just charge what others are charging on the net.
     
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    damn have i seriously got to check legal stuff? so what, my photo is property of the england rugby team?
     
  5. jack

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    hi ya guys,
    matt's logic is sound, but i think its worth adding in this instance specifically for forum members who are outside the UK (& rugby culture), that the
    rugby team victory was a national event,
    which produced a mass-public event in central london while the
    team took their bows. i think this allows the photographer IMO
    to be excused any relase required. (the crowd is as much an element of
    the photo as the team. an associate of mine recently filmed a
    tv advert in a northern english city, and the high street segs in the video
    were ok without a release, as long as the high-street bank and shop signage (the national icons) were obliquely filmed.

    ultimately its the photographers decision. :0)

    i messed up that day, if i was switched on , i would have gone done
    the same thing. good work ! thats an image with plenty of shelf life. nice !
     
  6. Big Mike

    Big Mike I am Big, I am Mike Staff Member Supporting Member

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    The photo is your property...but you can't just make money from it...if it contains a trademark like the team logo, without their permission.

    The laws are different from place to place, that's why you should ask someone. Either a lawyer or a pro photographer.

    Some places, you are allowed to use photos for news purposes but it's different if you are selling for advertising purposes.
     
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    good point about logos Mike. i hear you.

    EDIT: ajmall - it might be a lesson for a photographer too,
    having digested people feedback here, that an unusual image,
    such as the one you witnessed, should be offered quickly, while there
    is a window of time, in which display advertising and news pictures
    can merge a la corporate advertising (& patronage).

    it wouldnt be far fetched to have seen a full page - display advert in the
    broadsheets (or provincial papers) 'salute' to the team by an insurance
    firm or bank etc. they , of course would have sourced these via agency.
    but the agency images would be crowd shots like yours. i doubt
    whether many releases were signed in the furore :0), and now its all
    history lol.

    if some corporate brochure wants a 'sporty' visual metaphor for their
    blurb, in a few years time, IMO any images with the team sposor logos
    would have to be licensed.
     
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