The Morning Patrol

Discussion in 'General Gallery' started by canonrebel, Jun 24, 2004.

  1. canonrebel

    canonrebel TPF Noob!

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    The daily border patrol on the farm.
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    Aproximately 1.5 to 2 hrs after sunup.
    Canon Rebel 300d | Aperature Priority | Kit Lens's widest focol length.

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    Selective saturation and levels gradient has been manipulated to control morning fog and sky detail


    Original snapshot...
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  2. MDowdey

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    i really like the original better....great shot though...


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  3. thebigbillybob

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    once again the diference between digital art and digital photography... i like the effect of the fog but it isnt THERE its not even evident in the original... i just dont agree with adding things to pictures that arent there and still claiming it as a digital PHOTO when its really a digital COMPOSITION when editing my digital PHOTOS i am a firm believer in the fact that as long as you limit what you change in them to something you can do in a darkroom then its still a photo... now i dont tihnk the fog was there to begin in fact to me it looks like you just used the dodge and burn tool in ps to dodge a few areas to give it a fog effect in fact im almost positive thats what you did... i geuss you could do that to a degree in a darkroom however the sky thats just cheating.... this is a digital composition not photo at least thats my 2 cents/opinion hate all u want
     
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    canonrebel TPF Noob!

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    Once again:
    Folks, this was a manipulated photo.

    bigbillyjobob, Are you serious? You should smile when your're kidding.
    It's manipulated -- So What? I said it was manipulated. I didn't try to sneak anything over on you as your tone implies. I've even showed you the original for comparison. I've told you how I did the manipulation.
    And still you want to raise an issue as if your views are the only views that count. You can't dictate your personal set of commands about what's right or wrong in this forum--you're too inexperienced. And the rules of the forum have already been posted anyway, not that you've bothered to read them.

    Why do you have so much hate? -- You should be ashamed.

    Please, let me apologize to you for my submission right now at the very onset and put a stop to this pissing contest.

    billyjobob, I personally apologize to you for my manipulated submission. Please accept my humble apology and allow the submission to stay
    The Rebel
     
  5. danalec99

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    Both the pictures looks good except for a slight tilt, UNLESS thats what you wanted!

    And, the title is neat!! :)

    My best preference would be the manipulated version, since it relates to the title of the image!!
     
  6. karissa

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    BillyBob.... Ok, give Canon some credit. He did say it was manipulated. Also, we all understand that you dislike the way he has presented his art form. However, as grown adults, I do believe there is a much more tactful way to go about presenting your opinion. I do not see any need to get overly upset about it. To me it is The Photo Forum version of road rage. Now, in your words... that is my 2 cents hate it all you want.

    Canon... I like the first one you did. However, what does bother me is the slant of the landscape and the brightness of your sun spot. To me it wouldn't be that bright in real life. Or at least... I don't think so. Cool idea... I like it. It also would have been cool if the dog would have had a better pose but... you can't really control much of that.
     
  7. canonrebel

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    I never noticed the slant. I took for granted that it was the lay of the land as it is the "lower 10" and isn't level. But since you mentioned it, I noticed that the perpendiculars such as the fence posts and tree trunks aren't true perpendicular. It is definitely slanted.

    The bright area in the sky is an area that I left unmanipulated from the original. I left it untouched (washed out) because I wanted to exagurate the appearance of a lazy hazy early morning sun without cutting or pasting anything. I've watched my kid brother achieve similar results in my darkroom. I admit that I, myself, have never accomplished anything remotely resembling this in my darkroom.

    The rest was done with selective gradients and lowering levels and selectively raising/lowering saturation on many feathered seperate selections so the sky wouldn't appear to be so washed out. It wasn't achieved in a mere half hour. Burning and dodging in PS doesn't have the proper finesse to accomplish this. In fact, it would be impossible for me to achieve this result with the elementary tools of dodge and burn. There is nothing in the manipulated version that wasn't already there in the original.

    A stone mason sees only the stone. A sculptor sees the statue which was always in the stone.

    Thanks for your comments.
    Rebel
     
  8. LaFoto

    LaFoto Just Corinna in real life Staff Member Supporting Member

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    Rebel, I'm impressed by your "post-original-photography" work and I'd say these kinds of manipulations do go with photography - have always gone with photography.

    Even the very restricted knowledge that I personally have on the matter comprises that of manipulation done in the darkroom, for my dad used to have a darkroom when I was little and he showed me some.

    Today - with a more and more digitalised world - you have two ways in which to manipulate an original: in the darkroom, like you say your kid brother is a master at doing, or digitally.

    When I first came to this forum, I was very much on the side of the "purists", i.e. in my mind you had to evaluate a scene beforehand, and photograph it accordingly.

    Then I began to realize that this need not always be "the only true path" to a good photo. Manipulation can be the ONLY means to make an otherwise "normal" photo special. Like the fog that you added to what you had, although IN FACT it was not there when you and the dog were there. I like the first, the manipulated contribution to this thread much better than the one with the very white, featureless sky. And I must say that I am quite impressed by your work.

    When I drove round the countryside taking photos of a series on "Barns, Sheds and Stables", it happened to be an overcast day, which has brought about a good many washed out skies (which is why you haven't seen ANY of those photos here as yet). With those I only wish I had the knowledge to some something GOOD about them, manipulate them, if you so please, so as to SAVE some of them that otherwise look like snapshots...

    Would you maybe care to help me with the odd photo of mine, Rebel?
     
  9. thebigbillybob

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    hey i appologize i was just stating my opinion i do believe it is an art to be able to manipulate an image... however i just dont think it could still be a photo when its manipulated once again MY OPINION so sorry to offend anyone for thinking for myself... canon i will apologize i know your thing says its manipulated i just was stating my views so i cant apologize for having an opinion but i will for stating it and i guess comming off arguementive...
     
  10. LaFoto

    LaFoto Just Corinna in real life Staff Member Supporting Member

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    I feel like it's OK now, BillyBob, for I know how you feel, coming from the same area that you're in.
    I don't know how old you are?
    My guess is you're still young?
    Well, I'm an elderly woman of 44, and believe me, you can become more relaxed about opinions in general when you grow (older).
    And still: even at 44 I still learned that if you see photography as an art (and don't we all aspire just A LITTLE towards that?), manipulation is part of it. Just like a painter may take months (and months of changes!) to his painting.
    Do you see my point?
     
  11. thebigbillybob

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    definantly i see manipulations as a seperate art themselves though... not to bring up the the subject above but as for rebels composition above the original had a blown out sky with little to no detail at all and his manipulation completly changed that by digitally adding a much more pleasing sky into the picture which takes skill and is an art however to me it isnt photography... if its not in the original capture, how is that photography when it actually wasnt photographed... yes you are right i am young just turning 18 in august however my love for photography is pure and i just believe in the pure form of the art... but like what i think i got from your post... and its kinda a sane art is what you make it or something along those line i dunnno its late i have to be up in 4 hours im off to bed
     
  12. ZacKrohn

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    I cant realy decide which one I like better...I do have to say though that my views are very much inline with bigbillybob.
    about sums it all up for me. I realy enjoy playing around in photoshop but I dont see that as photography as much as graphic arts.
     

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