A couple pics of the Babysitter for C&C

[Derrel]

Hi,

Happy Thanksgiving.

Before you start looking at things like white teeth and lip gloss you need to correct the fundamental tone/color errors in these photos. The one you just revised is flat and has a blue/red color cast -- gotta fix those problems first.

Here's that photo:

I inset the histogram from your original. It indicates a compressed tonal range that has to be corrected. I made the indicated Levels correction and used a mask to hold the hair highlight in place. Then I removed the color cast and then I whitened her teeth.

Joe

"removed the color cast"???? Huh???? You've added yellow/green pollution to her blonde hair and her flesh tones look simply dreadful...the original photo looks far better than this re-work. Seriously....you did not "remove a color cast"...but substituted one bad color cast with another even worse-looking,sickly yellow-green color cast...

 

[baturn]

Thank you, Derrel. I thought I was going to have to calibrate my monitor.

 

[NikonNewbie]

Hi,

Happy Thanksgiving.

Before you start looking at things like white teeth and lip gloss you need to correct the fundamental tone/color errors in these photos. The one you just revised is flat and has a blue/red color cast -- gotta fix those problems first.

Here's that photo:

I inset the histogram from your original. It indicates a compressed tonal range that has to be corrected. I made the indicated Levels correction and used a mask to hold the hair highlight in place. Then I removed the color cast and then I whitened her teeth.

Joe

"removed the color cast"???? Huh???? You've added yellow/green pollution to her blonde hair and her flesh tones look simply dreadful...the original photo looks far better than this re-work. Seriously....you did not "remove a color cast"...but substituted one bad color cast with another even worse-looking,sickly yellow-green color cast...

I took that as just trying to show me to lighten it...and don't know why but it looks different at night on my screen...and I see the green more now, earlier I had the sun lighting my room. lol

 

[sobolik]

wait...that was confusing...why would I want to sharpen a great deal and then undo and then soften....to reveal that sharpening a womans skin is almost never a good idea?
I didn't sharpen anything at all...so this is confusing to me...you want me to do those steps and then undo them? Please give it to me in a simplier manner because I feel the 2nd sentence contradicts the directions you gave me.
sorry

i think what sobolik was getting at was that by you sharpening her skintones, and then softening them that you would see with your eyes that you dont want to be sharpening the skin. kind of like a heres what not to do. so you can see the results of sharpening and the results of softening.


if im wrong im sure someone can correct me. and if i dont make any sence sorry ive been at work now for 15 hours now.

ok because I didnt touch these photos not one bit before they went up, and I didnt think any skin pp was necessary besides the zit (and I dont think I posted any of the zit...lol) I was thinking he was telling me I shouldn't have sharpened her skin...when I didn't....then I got from Mr. Pink that I should do it and get a glow...
I just want to know about the lighting and other stuff that NEEDS or should be done, right now I'm going thru 2 books, and I have photoshop class in a book that has a CD workbook, so I'd rather not learn a lesson right now that doesn't need to be "learned" yet...kwim?
Im sorry your at work so long...Jeez go the hell home would ya? it's thanksgiving eve...and btw...
HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL YOU TURKEYS!!!!

On the skin sharpening thing in reference to the original posts " but I want to know what kind of PP to do on them. I was pretty happy with them all in all."

All I intended to do is suggest an exercise that demonstrates the utter importance of not screwing up a woman's skin. I did not say it was bad in the photo. It is hard to screw up a baby sitters baby like skin to begin with. Although some youths have bad skin as well as old people

I would say to always get a woman's skin "right" but that is not the intention. You can't take a wrinkled old lady photo and get it "right" all we can do is not make it worse.

Someone said "get a glow" that is valid as well. If a woman's skin is not bad she loves you. If we screw it up she gasps in horror or turns away in disappointment at how she looks in the photo and throws it in the garbage.

Again to any beginners out there looking to get better. Do the skin sharpening exercise to see what to do and not to do in PP with women's skin.

Again:
On the skin sharpening thing in reference to the original posts " but I want to know what kind of PP to do on them. I was pretty happy with them all in all."

 

[NikonNewbie]

i think what sobolik was getting at was that by you sharpening her skintones, and then softening them that you would see with your eyes that you dont want to be sharpening the skin. kind of like a heres what not to do. so you can see the results of sharpening and the results of softening.


if im wrong im sure someone can correct me. and if i dont make any sence sorry ive been at work now for 15 hours now.

ok because I didnt touch these photos not one bit before they went up, and I didnt think any skin pp was necessary besides the zit (and I dont think I posted any of the zit...lol) I was thinking he was telling me I shouldn't have sharpened her skin...when I didn't....then I got from Mr. Pink that I should do it and get a glow...
I just want to know about the lighting and other stuff that NEEDS or should be done, right now I'm going thru 2 books, and I have photoshop class in a book that has a CD workbook, so I'd rather not learn a lesson right now that doesn't need to be "learned" yet...kwim?
Im sorry your at work so long...Jeez go the hell home would ya? it's thanksgiving eve...and btw...
HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL YOU TURKEYS!!!!

On the skin sharpening thing in reference to the original posts " but I want to know what kind of PP to do on them. I was pretty happy with them all in all."

All I intended to do is suggest an exercise that demonstrates the utter importance of not screwing up a woman's skin. I did not say it was bad in the photo. It is hard to screw up a baby sitters baby like skin to begin with. Although some youths have bad skin as well as old people

I would say to always get a woman's skin "right" but that is not the intention. You can't take a wrinkled old lady photo and get it "right" all we can do is not make it worse.

Someone said "get a glow" that is valid as well. If a woman's skin is not bad she loves you. If we screw it up she gasps in horror or turns away in disappointment at how she looks in the photo and throws it in the garbage.

Again to any beginners out there looking to get better. Do the skin sharpening exercise to see what to do and not to do in PP with women's skin.

Again:
On the skin sharpening thing in reference to the original posts " but I want to know what kind of PP to do on them. I was pretty happy with them all in all."

ok...gotcha.

 

[clanthar]

Thanx Joe!
Ok I see a huge difference, that's what I was asking...the lighting etc...I see the compressed tonal range..but what did you use to correct it? and at what points did you know to use them? I'm still learning from this book, and unfourtantly it does not explain the histogram just shows me pics of it (so I know where and what it is) and it is in the channel mixing/ contrast section of black of white photos...I'm sure I'll get to it eventually but I have quite a few of these pics in this exact color and would like to change them all. I'm using Photoshop Cs2.
Thanks!

The histogram is your first critical analysis of a photo. It's a graph of the tone distribution in a photo from black to white. Black on the left and white on the right. The graph goes up as the photo contains more of that tone.

The histogram for your photo shows the bulk of the tonal material shifted a little left, but more importantly NOT spread across the entire range. The hot spot in her hair is in the far right corner and then there is very little or nothing in the upper midtone/lower highlight range. If you disregard that hot spot you then conclude that the overall tonal range is compressed.

Correct this using Levels (Image -- Adjustments -- Levels). Pull the highlight slider to the left toward the bulk of the graph. This will unfortunately cause the hot spot in her hair to blow out completely and so when I made this correction I protected that area with a mask. I made the Levels correction using an Adjustment Layer with a mask.

There's a strong blue/red color cast on the photo. Gertag Macbeth identifies average caucasian skin as a Hue value of 19 (sRGB). If you check the skin tones in the original photo you'll get H values in the single digits, as low as 2. I adjusted the color so that her skin tone measured on her left check is 20. If you check the highlight in her hair on the top of her head in your original it measures a hue value above 195 which is blue. In my corrected version that highlight does measure green (120) because it was green. At the same time her hair hanging below the left side of her face in my version measures a hue value in the mid 30s which is orange. The fact is there's a wide range of color variation in her hair in both the original and my version and if you wish that can be adjusted. But as I originally said it's best to begin from a position where you have normalized tone and color. I gave you that starting point.

You asked, "...at what point did you know to use them?" Part of that answer is experience, but it is also possible to make measurements. The histogram is a measurement; you have to learn how to interpret it. Color can be measured. We have know values for important colors, as I noted average caucasin skin tone is hue=19, a sunny blue sky is hue=207, etc.

Joe

 

[ADI54]

Hello NikonNewbie and all others!

I w'll mostly appreciate your help.
I'm shooting with a Nikon D40 for a year now and I'm totaly lost
The colors of all of my photos are just too intens, people look too red and the skin tones are all messed up. In sceneries the color borders are blur and it just seems with massive color stains. It's truely awful...

I 've researched the internet for so long but I just can't find the answer. I've realized it has something to do with the Optomize Image settings and I've tried several settings but can't find the answer... it's little to say that using the default settings and shooting with Auto doesn't solve the problem.

I must add that I'm shooting with RAW but it's so much work to post-process everything later in photoshop... also when the basic is sooo bad I don't really have good results...

NikonNewbie - What should I do to get the soft and smooth colors you have and your Nikon d40 pics?

You can see some of examples here - DSC_0896_730 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Flicker recudes some of the quality and colors but I think you can see the problem on those photos. And trust me it is much worst on my computer (I've checked it on 3 different computers to verify it's not a problem with my screen settings..).

Thank you very much!

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

The image you linked to is underexposed.

 

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

since this thread has been resurrected, I decided to do a quick edit of my own.


Edit1 by GooniesNeverSayDie11, on Flickr

I adjusted the levels, lightened the skin, added some blur, lightened and sharpened the eyes, colored the lips and adjusted the overall color very slightly. Oh and I did a little selective sharpening.

 

[twoboysnmygirl]

Hello NikonNewbie and all others!

I w'll mostly appreciate your help.
I'm shooting with a Nikon D40 for a year now and I'm totaly lost
The colors of all of my photos are just too intens, people look too red and the skin tones are all messed up. In sceneries the color borders are blur and it just seems with massive color stains. It's truely awful...

I 've researched the internet for so long but I just can't find the answer. I've realized it has something to do with the Optomize Image settings and I've tried several settings but can't find the answer... it's little to say that using the default settings and shooting with Auto doesn't solve the problem.

I must add that I'm shooting with RAW but it's so much work to post-process everything later in photoshop... also when the basic is sooo bad I don't really have good results...

NikonNewbie - What should I do to get the soft and smooth colors you have and your Nikon d40 pics?

You can see some of examples here - DSC_0896_730 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Flicker recudes some of the quality and colors but I think you can see the problem on those photos. And trust me it is much worst on my computer (I've checked it on 3 different computers to verify it's not a problem with my screen settings..).

Thank you very much!

Look in your menu under optimize image and see what you have it set to. I had my D40 on vivid when I first got my camera (ahem...per Ken Rockwell's advice...but I digress...) and my colors were way over saturated like that. If it's on vivid, try switching it to normal.

 

[NikonNewbie]

What she said ^^^^
I also had mine on Vivid for a long time...switch it to normal.

 

[mrpink]

What she said ^^^^
I also had mine on Vivid for a long time...switch it to normal.

but Ken Rockwell says to ALWAYS use Vivid.... you mean he is wrong?






p!nK

 

[Robin Usagani]

here is what i did

 

[twoboysnmygirl]

What she said ^^^^
I also had mine on Vivid for a long time...switch it to normal.

but Ken Rockwell says to ALWAYS use Vivid.... you mean he is wrong?






p!nK

 

[NikonNewbie]

What she said ^^^^
I also had mine on Vivid for a long time...switch it to normal.

but Ken Rockwell says to ALWAYS use Vivid.... you mean he is wrong?






p!nK

you cannot hold that against me forever...for I was new at this and I was reading anything that had to do with my camera
I didnt know who Ken Rockwell was even...husband printed it out and handed it to me! so blow me.:lmao:
Besides...now I only listen to Scott Kelby and all the knowledgable asshats on here