How do the pros make it.

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  1. smoke665

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    Yes, but this is something I alluded to earlier, the "value" we place on those photos has decreased dramatically. There's no preparation, there's no effort, and as a result I think most people place little value save the second or so it takes to look at it once, before it's replaced by even


     
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    Ergo the education system.

    i cannot emphasize this enough.

    The fact that the current education system has literally dummed down education to the lowest common denominator and that children are not taught value in art or to find value in anything (ergo modern Marxist socialistic theory) that they dont look to anything of value unless they can have instant gratification from it.

    And THAT is due to modern silicon Valley whos wares last maybe two years at the most longest end until something new is made and Moore's Law kicks in.
     
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    Yeah. And everyone and his dog has a professional level camera, so they don't see why they should pay you so much for a photo they "could" have taken themselves. This has been a growing problem for a long time and is a big part of why I did not go into professional photography in the early 1990s. It must be a huge problem for certain types of photography now.

    But there is still a market for photographs. If you can compete.
     
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    IMO its the nitch market thing and one has to tread VERY carefully.

    making something unusual and unique then splaying it all over the world is an open invitation to theft.

    The other half made in 2006 a very unusual white and blue coral necklaces that had never been seen before.
    She posted it on ebay and was looked at literally 1000 times. but no purchase. (No it wasn't expensive either. )
    but literally 3 months later in Wally World, the Panama Jack displays went up with literally exact copies of the necklaces made in plastic.

    Her idea and the Panama Jack folks got the booty.
     
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    Not too long ago I was reading an article about how to make money in photography, and most of the old paradigms are no longer valid. People no longer want prints in the way that they used to, but they do Want Digital files. Prints are no longer used as home display items and keepsakes the same way they used to be, but today the emphasis is instead on Sharing online,so that many people can see the photos.

    Back to this article I was reading. The author suggested that photographers today provide the market with what it wants, not what people used To want In the first 150 years of photography's history. Not what people wanted in the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s,1970s,80s 90s or early 2000's. It does no good to cry over spilled milk, and I find all of this talk about "instant gratification"a bit hypocritical. It used to take five months to traffic one's personage across United States from coast to coast. Today over 150 years later,we can make the trip in seven hours on a commercial jet for a few hundred bucks, Yet I do not read constantly about people who romanticize horse and wagon travel across the great plains

    One of the biggest ways to make money today in photography is to sell the experience of having a photo shoot done. Today it's about a photo shoot and not so much about the wall hanging prints. or about the framed 8 x 10" enlargements.

    I have grown very tired of all these people whining about the age of instant gratification. Yes we have had instant everything since the 1950s. Instant photos (Polaroids), television, recorded music. Movies instead of plays. It's been more than one century since the phonograph was invented;Prior to that if one wanted to listen to classical music,one had to go outside the home. Instant gratification has been with us for more than a century.
     
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    Agreed, but the bar is much higher. Let's be realistic here, the same holds true today as it did 50 years ago, there are varying levels of photographic skill. The competition from the cell phones and consumer grade gear may have knocked off the lower rungs of that skill ladder, but the need is still there for those top rung photographers. Magazines, newspapers, web, etc. are still filled with images created by highly competent photographers....not a mom with a camera. Frankly I'm not so sure that the skill set and competition for that top rung has changed much in the last several years, because for these photographers its more then a camera or lens, its the knowledge/ability they have, that can produce the shot.
     
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    @Derrel I wouldn't call it whining about instant gratification, more the realization that it's the way it is. I might love building widgets, but if there's no market for a widget, as a businessman I know that I'd be pretty stupid to fill a warehouse with widgets.
     
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    First start off rich, or have someone else support you till you make it big.
     
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    so sad
     
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    Wedding photography is my full time profession and it's my only profession. I don't have another job. I started my business in 2012 and then I left a secured career of 20 years in IT to do photography full time shortly after that. I also live in Southern California, probably not the best place as far as living cost is concern.

    How did I make it? I used my full time job at the time to build my business. I basically worked 2 jobs for about 3 years running my business while making money with my full time job to support the start of my business. I had probably a good 2-3 hours of sleep daily in those early years. It's not easy or glamorous and it was scary when I turned in my resignation. I also started my business at 34 years old, much later than most people in this industry. In the last 3 years my business has doubled and I actually stopped taking new clients for 2019 It's not easy and most photographers lack the business skills to turn a hobby into a sustainable and profitable business. If you look at my Instagram, my work is not out of this world or as creative compare to many other photographers. However, it is a good representative of who I am and what I love. My clients can relate to my photos and they're willing to pay for it. I think combined with good word of mouth marketing, it has done wonder for my business. Like any other small businesses, most people think it's easy and don't dedicate enough time and attention to the business. I live and breathe my business. It is my entire life and that's the down side of it.
     
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