Chris, Thankyou, the ISO was 100 I tend to keep it at that for most shots, settings were 1/160 @ f4, focal length 31.4, as for the lens its a fixed zoom on a Sony f717. the picture was taken so that I could use it in another composit I was doing. JohnE thanks to you also, post processing is something you need to spend a lot of time at, being retired I have the time. Ernie