I've been "googling" myself silly trying to find a decent Macro lens that doesn't cost more than my house. Seriously, I just can't justify $1K to $2K for a hobby. I was looking at the 200mm f/4, as it seems to be very popular around the net, but way over my budget, even used. Some of the "shorter" lenses and fixed lenses are nixed because you have to move the camera and refocus (and repeat) or they just cause you to move to close to be very useful. (Not my opinion, just a common theme on the 'net). I just to get a good quality lens to start taking macro seriously, and then, if things work out, and I keep a serious interest I can pop for $1.5K for a "great" lens. Thanks ahead for your time, J.