rant

[ferny]

****ing kids. One kid smacks another around the ear and then ignores me when I try to sort him out. He then ignores the person above me who they normally listen so she grabs the head of the year who gets him to do what he wants by saying "if you don't come inside you won't be able to go to Drayton Manor". What the ****? He's just smacked a kid around the head, ignored two people and now you're bargaining with him? Five minutes later they let him outside.
Another kid goes off on on, won't calm down. All I can do is the stupid "now Ryan, calm down, come here" crap. Indecently, the other kid was called Ryan as well. Coincidence? If it was my kid I'd put my hands on his shoulders, push him against the wall and make it clear that until he calmed down and listened he was going nowhere. But no, I'm only just allowed to breathe near them. I have to check my breath first though, or I'll get in trouble for harming him.
Another one who isn't allowed outside until next Tuesday because he called my boss a "mother ****er" told me that when the head teacher isn't there he takes himself out and plays. Then right at the end he comes back inside so he doesn't get caught.

The kids need a kick up the arse. They run the school.

Bring back the fecking cane.


Rant over.

 

[Meysha]

It's almost sad I have to ask this but I can't tell ... highschool or primary?

I know how you feel. It's so frustrating how rude they are. I had some horrible kids in my highschool. One class was horrible - with one girl in that class in particular. Had to put the whole class in detention and I think the girl got suspended in the end. I left before I found out.
The rest of my classes were excellent and well behaved though I had to be really strict with them.

But I agree there is something really screwed up with the kids' behaviour and respect.

 

[ferny]

The first and last kid are 11. The one in the middle is 9. There is just no control there. They get away with murder and most people don't care because that way their lives are easier. But for the people who want to do their job properly it's a pain in the arse. It also means that if something serious happens, you're fecked.
It's odd how it only takes a couple of kids to ruin it. The rest are fine and some of them great.

 

[JonMikal]

actually they way you really wanna handle this is the way it was handled during my school years. teachers, principles, deans would routine smack, grab, shove soap down your throat or whatever to keep you in line. if a curse word was uttered, it was a major offense where a meeting was called; you were suspended and parents had to escort you back to school to appear before a committee. ha, i grew up in an orphanage and received the same kinda stuff there as well...so there was no escape but, those rules and actions instilled discipline and respect into me and im a better person for it today.

governments think they are doing society a favour by stepping in and "protecting" children. to a degree it's helpful, but they're creating a society where respect and honor isn't important. i see it every day!

the ultimate responsibility for those kids belongs with their parents.

sorry for your frustration...i hear ya all too well!

 

[Corry]

It can be pretty difficult to keep a large group of kids in line. Especially when many of them probably don't get any structure or discipline at home. In my childrens group, I have a THREE YEAR OLD who will just walk up to someone and hit them or bite them, for absolutely no reason...and then when you are trying to discipline and tell this child that it is wrong to do that, all you get is a blank stare...like the kid isn't even hearing what you are saying. It's very frustrating. Especially when the kid is so young, and already numb, and seemingly sociopathic.

 

[ferny]

Sounds like that kid needs assessing. He may have a proper problem. There are loads of them at the school I'm at and many more who clearly do have problems but we get told they're fine. I'm thinking of one who is almost like the kid you described but he's 9. He'll not listen to you, find it hard to concentrate and control himself sometimes and generally show himself up. I caught him watching another boy getting changed last time I took them swimming. That was just after he ran around in his underwear whilst still wearing his swimming hat and five minutes after I'd chucked him into his cubicle to get changed he lost his underwear and couldn't find it.... The reports on him have come back and referred to him as "a very happy young man".

 

[Corry]

It's kinda scary with the kid I'm talking about. I've known this child since birth, and only on very rare occasions seen any kind of emotion shown.

 

[Alison]

In my childrens group, I have a THREE YEAR OLD who will just walk up to someone and hit them or bite them, for absolutely no reason...and then when you are trying to discipline and tell this child that it is wrong to do that, all you get is a blank stare...like the kid isn't even hearing what you are saying. It's very frustrating. Especially when the kid is so young, and already numb, and seemingly sociopathic.

Lots of kids at that age hit and bite for no reason. At my son's school we've had several incidents of having to sign reports because they've gotten bit or scratched or otherwise run over. My oldest son does very much what you've described when he's in trouble, he avoids eye contact and it seems like he's not listening. Hopefully he's not on the path to being a sociopath :mrgreen:

EDIT: Just saw your post above that you've know the child for a long time. Not showing emotion at that age is a very concerning sign. It's good he has someone who cares in his life.

 

[Corry]

Lots of kids at that age hit and bite for no reason. At my son's school we've had several incidents of having to sign reports because they've gotten bit or scratched or otherwise run over. My oldest son does very much what you've described when he's in trouble, he avoids eye contact and it seems like he's not listening. Hopefully he's not on the path to being a sociopath :mrgreen:

This isn't like that, though. I've been working with kids enough to know when it's normal behavior, and this is definatly not normal. What you are describing does sound like what I've seen lots of kids do. What this kid does has all of the group facilitators worried. No emotion almost at all.

 

[tempra]

learn how to do kidney punches - works for the police

 

[Alison]

Yeah, I saw your post after I posted mine. I'm glad that he's at least been identified as being at risk and at such a young age. I hope things improve for him.

 

[Corry]

Yeah, I saw your post after I posted mine. I'm glad that he's at least been identified as being at risk and at such a young age. I hope things improve for him.

Sure, it's been identified, but unfortunately, it's up to the parents to do something about it, and that probably won't happen until the situation is way out of control, unfortunately.

 

[Meysha]

It can be pretty difficult to keep a large group of kids in line. Especially when many of them probably don't get any structure or discipline at home.

For one of my classes - there were 35 kids, 15 years old - So I'd take it with the other teacher in the class as well. This other teacher was absolutely amazing how she handled the kids. Anyway, she was telling me about one of the students. He was kept back this year coz he did pretty badly last year. The teacher met his mum at a P&T Interview and the things the mother said just made me cry.. about how her son didn't deserve any attention and how stupid he was etc. One day a few months later, the mother came into the school to see the teacher and actually said to her "Don't you ever encourage my son".

Now before I heard this story I just thought he was a slightly disruptive boy. But afterwards my view towards him and all the other students changed. I realised I didn't know anything about how difficult or good their homes are. It's sad really.
But what pissed me off the most, was this boy was very intelligent. He used to come out with the most amazing things that no one else in the class would think of.
That is the thing that angers me the most, when parents don't support their kids and help them to become whatever they can be.

 

[ferny]

One thing I've learnt is to be very very careful about what you say to the children. Don't ever say "your mum and dad" because so many either only live with one parent, come from a foster home or something else. It's amazing and unless you saw it first hand you wouldn't believe it. The other thing that I've noticed is that there is so much going on behind their eyes. Each one is so different from the next and it takes time to get to know how to look after, protect and control each child.

That and some are just little ****s who need a good slap.

 

[Andrea K]

I think all that sucks, not too much stuff happens in my school most likely because its a small, private, Catholic, all-girls high school in suburbia but ive noticed that most of the trouble happens when there are large amounts of kids. most of my classes are with 10-15 others but my biggest i think is 27 or 28 and its so much easier to get away with stuff because there are so many kids but also the kids who need help never get enough attention because they are usually in the academic (not honors or ap or anything) classes which are always the biggest. its not so bad because you've got to test to get in but i can imagine that in public schools there is almost no help available simply because there are too many kids and the parents dont care