Should I get a different flash?

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  1. davholla

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    I have been thinking about getting the "YONGNUO YN24EX E TTL Macro Flash " to use with my Canon MPE65mm (and possibly another one for my 60mm).
    Here are some photos that I took with my current set up.
    Reasons against
    1) Money
    2) Weight I already have problems with MPE65, ideally I would go to the gym and get stronger but I have shoulder problems which make that tricky (almost impossible if not impossible)
    3) Taking up more space
    4) The hassle of creating a new diffuser - for me not that easy

    [​IMG]Shield Bug IMG_0975 by davholla2002, on Flickr

    [​IMG]Mosquito IMG_1092 by davholla2002, on Flickr

    [​IMG]Woodlouse IMG_1011 by davholla2002, on Flickr

    [​IMG]Hoverfly IMG_1095 by davholla2002, on Flickr


     
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    Nice shots......................
     
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    Good set of shots. Check out the Godox range for flash.
     
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    Canon's own Twinflash (recently updated to a new version with improved performance and wireless control for the main unit - the flash head still have the cables) is, of course, probably the best option. But its got a huge price on it.

    I've not used this flash, but Yongo do have a decent reputation for producing good quality affordable flash units. Sure they are not top of the line, but they are no slouches and I think it would be well worth it for the MPE65mm. The modelling light alone makes this lens a LOT easier to use for general shooting and makes all the difference at the very high magnifications.

    I'd say go for it, the MPE is a big challenge in itself so anything that makes it easier is going to be a huge help. It's probably the hardest lens in the Canon line-up to use and the shaking aspet is something everyone has to deal with - esp once you start getting into higher magnifications. Do a search and look up the left-hand-brace technique - basically learning to rest your left hand on the surface the subject is upon and then balancing the lens of the lens on your hand; that way the surface stabilizes you if its firm; or if its not then any shake you make is transfered in equal measure to the subject. A cold insect on a stem can have the stem held; thus syncing your motions to the stem and thus the subject.
     
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    Thank you both, so can you see any flaws with the current lighting
     
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    What diffuser setup are you using right now? The twinflashes are tricky to mount custom diffusers to due to size, that said I strongly suggest checking out this guy over here Yongnuo YN24EX Diffusers

    He's making 3D printed custom diffusers for the twinflash setups and has one there for the Yongo (which already speaks well of how good the yongo kit must be for him to make one up). I bought one of his earlier kits for the canon twinflash and it works well! His newer designs are improved and offer more options. I got mine off ebay from him, though reading the thread looks like you might have to shoot him a pm there to get a hold of them.

    It certainly offers a good way to get hassle free diffusers.
     
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    Thanks for that, I just wonder if it is really worth it.
    For example I know that a lot of people hate ring flash.
    But this person on flickr uses them
    gear
    and her photos are great

    Marie
     
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    The problems with ring flashes are:

    1) The size of the light and its position makes it very hard to diffuse the light at all. There just isn't much room. Remembering that diffusing light means to make the light source bigger (a lot of people mistakenly think that its simply blocking light from the flash such as by putting some paper infront of it ; that only works when the paper is larger and thus the light source relative to the subject is enlarged).

    2) The flat light it gives, granted better ring flashes can adjust so that the light from the left and right is at different powers (to create some shadowing). This isn't always a downside and sometimes you want a more even spread of light over the whole subject rather than a more creative angled light.

    3) lamp/modelling lamp. Not all ring flashes have a constant light mode. This is important for the MPE because at higher magnifications the light getting into the lens is reduced significantly; so having a modelling light on the flash is a great help because it gives you light to focus with (note this isnt pulsing the flash light but a separate light within the flash head that gives a constant beam of light to aid focusing and viewing through the viewfinder)
     
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    True (although I have a diffuser on mine).
    However saying that people do get decent photos with them.
    (BTW I prefer even spread of light because I normally don't have time to change the light spread, but perhaps I should try it).
     
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    Oh yes there are fantastic photos taken with ring flashs, twin flashes, speedlites on arms, studio setups etc... The key is finding what works for you and is mobile (when required) and gives you the control and features you need.
     
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    Sorry if you already covered this but....

    What is your current set up. I only see the current lens listed not flash/diffuser.

    What is the goal? i.e. What is it that you want to do that your current set up isn't capable of?

    Could this be solved by using a different technique and not just Buying new gear?

    Does this new purchase solve the problem or is it a hope to solve the problem?


    The reason why I'm posing these questions is more than 50% of the time what people think a gear purchase will fix can often be solved with technique. I'm not experienced with macro but there are many here that are. If you can answer the above questions I would bet you will come away with the right solution.
     
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    I have a Canon 65 mm with a ring flash (yongnuo yn -14 ex) it has a home made diffuser which I will post later (I can't remember where I got the idea from now).
    I wonder if my current set up is inferior to a dual flash as people say that ring flashes are not as good for diffusion but I am not sure that my photos do really suffer.* So I am not sure if there is a problem but worry if there could be, if that make sense.

    *I am not 100% sure that ring flashes are inferior, I know people who take wonderful photos with them.
     

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