Fallen Soldier returns home

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  1. EW1066

    EW1066 TPF Noob!

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    We had a funeral procession come through our small town today. I had an opportunity to pay my respects and took a few shots of other doing the same. The focus is a bit soft....still trying to figure out why the auto focus is doing this. CC welcome

    Post processing is cropping only.

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    Is it a new cam? If so, what kind?

    You may be aware of this, but digital camera output nearly always needs to be sharpened at least a touch. I'm a Nikon guy, and I've found that aside from the D70 all of the Nikons tend to be QUITE soft. I usually turn the on-camera sharpening option up at least a notch and then do an unsharp mask in photoshop on nearly every pic.

    I did a quick job on 2 of your shots... both set to 90% sharpness, 2.2 pixel radius, 2 thresh. I got the following:

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    Mind you, I think I might do some saturation and contrast adjustments as well, but I wanted to show you exclusively what a bit of sharpening would do.
     
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    I like them all, but number #1 and #3 are cool.
     
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    Manaheim,

    Thanks for the info and the demo. The camera is a Nikon D80, so your expaeience seems to hold true in this case anyway. I have yet to aquire photoshop. I am using Capture NX. It's the software that came with the camera. I will deffinately bump up the sharpness in the camera as well.

    Sanctus,
    Thanks for taking the time to tell me you like them......little "ataboy's" go a long way

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    Geez thats alotta bikes

    nice shots
     
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    Those are the Patriot Guard Riders. I didnt include the pics of the first half of the riders that didnt have flags or the Police riders that preceeded the Patriot Guard. There had to be atleast a mile of bikes. It was an Awe inspiring sight.

    The procession was late getting into town because the Widow insisted on thanking and hugging EVERY rider in the procession before heading out from the airport. 35 miles later they pass through our small town and some were still visibly moved.

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    This is the beginning of the Patriot Guard.....you can barely see the flag barers in the back

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    I dont know why you say this there are plenty of pics that come out that dont necessarily need to be sharpened.
    Not sure why your pics are coming out soft though.
     
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    I didnt say it.

    And I dont know why the focus is soft either....

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    mmm, well I say it because it is a fact. :)

    I also say it from experience. I have extensively used the D100, D200, D70S, D80 and D300. I can't personally speak to the D40s, etc. I have consistently seen this behavior and provided this advice to many friends and colleagues who noticed the behavior on their cameras... cameras of all makes and models. Sony, Nikon, Canon, Pentax, my daughter's Fisher Price camera... :) you name it.

    I also said it varies by camera manufacturer and camera. As I mentioned the D70 (I believe it was mainly the D70S...) was famous for -very- sharp pictures, but most of the Nikons appear to have a bit of softness to them by default. (somewhat configurable)

    I somewhat hinted at this but wasn't explicit... this also depends very much on personal preference. Beware! Level of sharpening desired is subjective, so this quickly becomes a religious issue.

    I should also point out that it varies from pic to pic... if you take a picture of a sunset or a bride at the window, you may WANT the softness. If you're taking a picture at Fenway, you may not. etc.

    Unfortunately, I cannot find the article I read... might have been in a paper trade rag, but it basically explained that there is a reason for this with digital cameras that has something to do with the way they are getting the image on the sensor. My memory on this is very fuzzy (YUK YUK YUK), but I believe it had to do with interpolating information between two pixel locations on the camera to determine the color for that particular pixel. Perhaps someone else here can help me out since I am really grasping at straws at this point. :) Regardless, experience shows that many d-cams produce soft images.

    Anyway, the end result is that most digital pictures start out somewhat soft, and the camera's handling of them determines what the output is when it records the image to memory.

    For EW1066... my guess is if you look in the menu you will find that your cam is set to the lowest default sharpening setting. My experience is that even at the highest sharpening settings I tend to tweak most of my pictures... Nikon doesn't tend to go hog wild, probably because they are concerned about over-sharpening as it does have some potentially negative impacts (depending on what you are trying to do, of course). Bump it up a notch, take some pics, see what you think... if you would like more, bump it up again. (particularly where you don't have photoshop yet)

    I believe GIMP and some other free tools have equivelent sharpening capabilities (as well as everything else) to Photoshop. You might grab that and toy around with it.

    For those interested, here is a tutorial on sharpening:

    http://www.dslreports.com/faq/13197
     
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    Oh, EW... one more thing. It also appears that your shots have a very shallow depth of field. Do you happen to know what f-stop you were at? I'm betting you had the aperature wide open. That's going to mean that your focal point will be sharp but the amount of elements out of focus (and therefore soft) is going to be pretty extensive.

    The picture with mom and the kid is a good example... appears that the daughter was the focus point and mom (who is very close to her but just slightly behind) is more fuzzy.

    I think this worked EXTREMELY well with the shot of the woman holding the flag, but I would have chosen a smaller aperature for the woman/child picture as I think the focus distracts from the composition a bit.
     
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    The pics you have shared are very moving indeed. What a huge line of bikes. It's wonderful that a person who made the ultimate sacrifice is honoured in this way. It must help the families, in some small way, to deal with their grief to see such a display of support.
     

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