is it worth Changing my camera?

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  1. enerlevel

    enerlevel TPF Noob!

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    hi all,
    due to finance problem, i had to downgrade my camera equipments... I was using
    sony a7s, 35mm f2.8,Nissin i40

    after selling my gears, i bought a Sony a6000 and sigma 30mm f1.4 lens. The combo is nice but just lately fujifilm has caught my eye. i can afford to swap my camera for a X-T1 with 23mm f1.4 lens or i could get a X-T20 with 18mm f2. Having said that, is it worth it? would i be gaining any image quality or High iso performance?
     
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    As far as I know, no one has gotten a copy of the xt20 yet for sample photos, so there's no way to know what the image quality will be like. I imagine it will be better, but there's no way to know how much better.

    The x-t1 is pretty similar to the a6000 in image quality, and is doubtful to be worth the money you'd lose in switching systems. So unless you really want the Fuji controls, I'd wait to see the hands-on reviews before selling your current gear.
     
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    Thanks for the reply,
    I honk the senor on the x-t20 is the same as the x-pro2 and x-t2... I hve tried to read many reviews but I can't seem to get a one sided opinion... some says it's really good while others says that it's only marginally better than x trans II... having said that I also have an option of getting sony a6300 without having to change my lens... but like the xtrans III sensor, some say a6300 is significantly better than the a6000 in terms of high ISO while some say its the same ...
     
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    Can't trust what you read on the internet. The Fuji cameras use Sony sensors. The X-Trans III uses Sony's new dual gain APS sensor -- a6500. Low light performance is state-of-the art for APS class cameras. The same sensor is in the new Nikon D500.

    The Fuji cameras are complicated by the addition of the X-Trans CFA. You may like it or you may hate it. Fuji designed the X-Trans CFA to resist moire and consequently removed the AA filter from the camera. The X-Trans CFA increases the overall green component of the CFA and that further boosts low light performance. However the X-Trans CFA is far more complicated to demosaic and so more prone to demosaicing problems. As a result there's a wider range of performance variation between the different raw processors and Fuji users find it more difficult to settle happily on a software solution.

    I've been using Fuji for a number of years now. Fuji lenses are superb and my original decision to switch to Fuji had a lot to do with the lenses. I'm using the X-T2 now which has the same basic sensor guts as the X-T20. Here's an example of the camera's low light output: ISO 12800.

    Joe
     
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    I am a Fuji fanboy. The new 24mp sensor delivers significant detail over the 16mp sensor and Fuji managed to get seemingly a full stop of high ISO IQ. (The 16mp sensor's IQ @ 3200 is about the same at 6400 for the 24mp sensor.) Fujinon FX lenses are wonderful and the XP1/XP2/XT1/XT2 are extremely well build and their lenses feel solid like the old Nikkor lenses of the film-only days. Most photogs don't need F/1.4. Fuji has a lineup of F/2 lenses which are significantly less expensive than their F/1.4. The XP2/XT2 have all the primary controls on the camera body and lens ... so no menu diving or switches to activate. They are a joy to use and the non-Bayer sensor CFA gives a slightly different look, slightly more film-esque. But Fuji is a boutique/niche camera and the cost of Fuji hardware reflects this market.

    But, for what I shoot and how I shoot, the extra detail (unless you enlarge the image way up there) is insignificant to the overall success of the photo.
     
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    PS- I wrote my post prior to reading Joe's. I imagine we both wrote at about the same time. lol
     
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    You don't have to guess about that, you can just use DPreview's studio comparison tool: Studio shot comparison: Digital Photography Review

    Don't forget that Fuji doesn't use the same standard for ISO that other cameras do, so their ISO 200 is what everyone else calls ISO 100. So I usually bump them up by one all the way, though some say that's not quite accurate either... the tests I've seen have shown that Fuji is usually about 2/3 of a stop underexposed when put at the same settings as another camera.
     
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    I hesitate to call Fuji deceptive but will kick their courtesans for over-selling the virtues of their latest model iterations. Too soon for definitive reviews but you'd never guess it from the gush over the lineup-wide 24mp sensor+processor "upgrades." Thinking mostly about the X100F whose predecessor, the X100T,seemed near-perfect for use as a candid/street shooter. Faster AF? So what with a fixed lens camera that most current prosumer DSLRs embarrass without trying. Expanded ISO ranges matter only if you use them regularly. Scootable AF points via a teat-like joy stick? Don't need it. Whip in a sizeable price increase relative to the now-discounted(and falling?) X100T and just maybe Fuji has finally stumbled and cranked out an upgrade on a niche product that will prove a dud, sales-wise.

    That said, I'd urge the OP to look at the XT-10. Upgrades always exert downward pressure on current prices. Fujinon lenses are superb, so there's no harm buying into the system now with a 16mp body. Shoot it till it breaks and see what Fuji dishes up 2 years on.
     
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    Be careful with DPreview's comparison tool. You're looking at their questionable processing methodology as much as the performance of the various cameras. Download the raw originals and process them yourself if you want a proper comparison.

    This is bogus. I've encountered it before and those blogs and reviews are typically written by people who don't know what ISO is and don't understand the standard. Fuji uses the same standard for ISO as the other major manufacturers. I had to walk to the grocery this afternoon so I took my X-T2 along:

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    Front-lit bright sun, blue sky, winter in the northern hemisphere, 2:00 in the afternoon is a know exposure. I set the camera manually with the ISO at 200 and this the JPEG the Fuji EXR processor delivered. Histogram for the photo is inset lower left.

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    Here's the article that illustrates my understanding of the Fuji ISO problem: Does Fuji Cheat with its Sensors?

    Even with people arguing with the methods in the comments, they agree that if you have a Fuji camera next to another camera and dial in the exact same settings on both, the Fuji will appear about 2/3 of a stop darker. Most Fuji owners don't care about it, and it really doesn't matter in real world use, but for comparing ISO performance between cameras of different brands it does matter.
     
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    Yep, bogus article. He doesn't know what ISO is and although he has a link to the standards website I suspect he hasn't read it. This sentence from the article is a give-away and should have warned you he was BSing through his hat; "So far, I have been comparing sensors based on the same ISO level, but making exposure adjustments to match the same brightness across different cameras."

    The site is extensive and he's written a lot. Here's another link from that site that verifies he's pretty clueless when it comes to ISO: Understanding ISO - A Beginner's Guide Here's a nonsense quote from that article, "The component within your camera that can change sensitivity is called “image sensor” or simply “sensor”."

    You got to be careful what you read on the internet. Next thing you know you could start thinking in terms of exposure triangles -- I think he's got that in there too.

    Joe
     
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    Thanks all for your time.
    So after read some comments, is it true that the a6300 sensor would be the same as x-t2 or x-t20 sensor?
    Personally I don't like the xtrans II, I had the x-t1 2 years ago and as I often shoot high ISO, raw files just go up till 6400 at auto ISO and the jpeg, the skin tones become too waxy..
    therefore If I am to invest another £800 to my current setup, I would want it to be worthy..
     

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