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Automatic vs. Manual?

Is using aperture priority a bad thing? One of my posts I was insulted for using it. Referred to it as me using it like a point and shoot. But many people say they use it too to capture the quick moments. So... I don't get it.

Most photographers use aperture priority most of the time. There are always reasons to switch to the other modes but Av is a good default.
 
unpopular said:
There is nothing wrong with AE so long as you know how to use it. The problem is that it's hard to know how to use it without first learning manual.

I hear from most to use AE as you learn.
 
unpopular said:
There is nothing wrong with AE so long as you know how to use it. The problem is that it's hard to know how to use it without first learning manual.
I hear from most to use AE as you learn.
I really don't agree. Basic exposure should not be an advanced topic, lots of people have successfully learned photography using manual cameras. I can understand the sentiment, but manual exposure is certainly within the abilities of any dedicated beginner.

Its just one of those things, it really isn't that hard once you get yor head around it.
 
Personally, I use Aperture Preferred as my default setting. Why? Because the vast majority of my outings are of florals, close up florals, and scenics. I'm mostly concerned with DOF, so my aperture setting is most important to me. I shoot all my florals and scenics on a tripod, so shutter speed isn't very important the vast majority of the time. As for ISO, I'm looking for the lowest setting I can get away with.

Yes, there are times when the conditions such as wind or plant movement will cause me to switch manual in order to be able to have a better handle on those conditions and still control DOF.
 
- I believe some people claim they only shoot manual mode just to be coooooool. :D

- I know there are people shoot manual mode because they just know without even need to help of the any light meter including the camera build-in light meter. (or with the help of an external flash meter)

- I know some people shoot manual mode and do not like to shoot auto or semi auto because they believe they can control everything, but all they do is shoot in manual mode, dial the aperture and then change the shutter speed until display meter is point to 0 (-|---0---|-)


For me, I just use the mode that can get the shot I need.
 
- I know some people shoot manual mode and do not like to shoot auto or semi auto because they believe they can control everything, but all they do is shoot in manual mode, dial the aperture and then change the shutter speed until display meter is point to 0 (-|---0---|-)

This could not be further from the truth.
 
- I know some people shoot manual mode and do not like to shoot auto or semi auto because they believe they can control everything, but all they do is shoot in manual mode, dial the aperture and then change the shutter speed until display meter is point to 0 (-|---0---|-)

This could not be further from the truth.

just out of curiosity, how do you know that it's not true? I know a few photographer friends who do exactly that the vast majority of the time. Or they want to make an adjustment to the exposure of lets say 1/2 stop, so they use manual mode. But as I've pointed out to them it can just as easily be done in aperture preferred mode using EC.
 
What happens when one wants to make different changes, quickly and on the fly? EC is a bit tricky then, manual , just a tweak of the thumb.

The meter for me is just a recommendation. They neither know what i see or what i want, and rarely use what it consider the "normal" exposure.

I do use what ever mode is necessary to get the shot, but manual is my main option, but probably because that is the way I began learning 64 years ago.

Unlike what most are saying here, I start with the shutter speed being my main decision, but this again can change depending of the type of image I am making.

Understanding your tools and when it is best to use which options is far more important than being locked into "the method". Just my 2 cents.
 
What happens when one wants to make different changes, quickly and on the fly? EC is a bit tricky then, manual , just a tweak of the thumb.

The meter for me is just a recommendation. They neither know what i see or what i want, and rarely use what it consider the "normal" exposure.

I do use what ever mode is necessary to get the shot, but manual is my main option, but probably because that is the way I began learning 64 years ago.

Unlike what most are saying here, I start with the shutter speed being my main decision, but this again can change depending of the type of image I am making.

Understanding your tools and when it is best to use which options is far more important than being locked into "the method". Just my 2 cents.


Ann, from you post I gather that you hand hold most of time, and your subject matter does in fact move. The complete opposite from me. So I would expect you to either use shutter priority, or manual.
 
Understanding your tools and when it is best to use which options is far more important than being locked into "the method". Just my 2 cents.

This is I think the key point
 
- I know some people shoot manual mode and do not like to shoot auto or semi auto because they believe they can control everything, but all they do is shoot in manual mode, dial the aperture and then change the shutter speed until display meter is point to 0 (-|---0---|-)

This could not be further from the truth.

just out of curiosity, how do you know that it's not true? I know a few photographer friends who do exactly that the vast majority of the time. Or they want to make an adjustment to the exposure of lets say 1/2 stop, so they use manual mode. But as I've pointed out to them it can just as easily be done in aperture preferred mode using EC.

Ok.

The zero does not indicate "proper exposure" it indicates "0ev from reference". What this means is that there is as much light at the meter as there was when the meter was calibrated in the first place, which is 12.5% or 18% reflected light, depending on the meter. You may already know this, but few photographers really realize what that means is pretty unsubstantial.

Zeroing a meter will render whatever is being metered or chosen by the fancy-pants, multi segment is going to be rendered in a similar way to it's calibrated reference. But this says absolutely nothing about the scene itself, and more important how you want the scene to be rendered - and what if there is no middle grey to choose from? The result will be a missed exposure.

Modern in-camera meters do a pretty good job of compensating for the latter, but they do so in accordance of their programming, which is great, especially in situations where you don't have the luxury of diddling around with a spot meter - after all, these systems were developed for the press photographers of the late 20th century who needed fast, objectively accurate and most important predictable results in less than ideal circumstances.

But in other situations where control is more valued that speed these metering systems are often far from idea. What if you want a near silhouette with ample but subtle shadow detail against a turbulent, yet brightly lit sky? You could use AE and compensate - but by how much would you compensate?

To do this, you could spot meter off the tree. If you dialed in "zero" it would render too bright, and it is likely that the sky would blow out. You could meter off the sky and zero it in, and while the sky might have enough detail, the tree would have no detail at all.

Instead, of just "zeroing" the meter to whatever arbitrary condition it was calibrated, you can use "zero" as a predictable reference. We know that whatever the meter says, by stopping down two or three stops the tree will render how we expect it to. So, to do this, you can meter off the tree, and decrease exposure by two stops - placing it in Zone III. Provided that the highlights aren't blown, you done.

There are better ways to handle this, ofcourse, but every method requires exposure compensation one way or another. And yes. You can certainly do this in AE as well using the EC parameter. However, manual mode works well because you are not fixed to just shutter or aperture adjustment. In manual mode I can consider what the drawbacks and advantages of every change I make in relation to the subject: will increased noise be better than shallow DOF; will increased DOF be better than a shorter exposure; is this photograph even possible in the current circumstances.

But using AE makes it very hard to visualize what each parameter is doing and how they are related. And this is really essential to having complete control over your camera - no matter what metering mode or exposure method is used.
 
What happens when one wants to make different changes, quickly and on the fly? EC is a bit tricky then, manual , just a tweak of the thumb.

The meter for me is just a recommendation. They neither know what i see or what i want, and rarely use what it consider the "normal" exposure.

I do use what ever mode is necessary to get the shot, but manual is my main option, but probably because that is the way I began learning 64 years ago.

Unlike what most are saying here, I start with the shutter speed being my main decision, but this again can change depending of the type of image I am making.

Understanding your tools and when it is best to use which options is far more important than being locked into "the method". Just my 2 cents.


Ann, from you post I gather that you hand hold most of time, and your subject matter does in fact move. The complete opposite from me. So I would expect you to either use shutter priority, or manual.

Quite a bit, it varies depending on my intent, but hand held or on a monopd, tripod, etc. I use manual metering 99% of the time, but again, am not admit about what others should use or not use. That is up them.

This is also true for me regardless of the format I am using, be it LF, medium format or 35.

Clearly subject matter would dictate the base line decision. DOF/ speed which should it be.
 
OMG! I must be more of a man than Derrel since I drove a 18-speed manual... :lmao:


More seriously, WHO CARES?

Some situations will require manual but aside from that do what ever yo want. It makes no difference because, if you are serious about photography, the only thing that really matters is the results.

And yes, I said results (plural), because if you luck out and get a nice photo once every few months then you still have a lot to learn. You need to get decent to very good results consistently. And if you are a pro (or going pro tomorrow), it'd better be excellent results consistently.


Cheers.
 

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