Guns Go Bang! - C&C

[e.rose]

I see the technical data, but no photos appear. Is there something wrong with my computer?

Yeah, it logged you onto TPF 150 posts too late.

 

[Vtec44]

Well, I'm not contesting the right to own guns, I totally understand the self-defense perspective, and I also understand hunting for food... the point was that the particular gun that started this had nothing to do with either of those things. That gun was built from the ground up to kill people. I agree, that plenty of folks are plenty qualified to own and operate that sort of device, but none of them need it, and it's FAR TOO EMPOWERING for the folks who are not qualified, but can obtain it anyway. As mentioned earlier in the thread, there's a point where it stops being a tool, and starts becoming an ego booster. In an extremely small number of cases, it allows (encourages?) crazy people to do crazy things.

Promoting self defense makes for a safe society... promoting the types of weapons shown in this thread makes for a society ripe with power struggles. People should not feel encouraged to exert their will over others, and assault weapons are engineered for that specifically, exerting force.

So yeah, people kill people, not the guns... but some guns are for protecting people, and other guns for starting sh**, know what I'm sayin?

It's not black and white, it's not an argument anyone can win... from my perspective though, we should be conscious of the impacts of devices, and not just assume they're all the same and all in the hands of qualified people.

I see your point, but it's flawed in many ways and I don't blame you. The media has it wrong too, intentional or not.

1. Gun ownership is beyond hunting and self-defense.

2. I stated previously that gun posted cosmetically looks like an M16, but it doesn't function like an M16. It shoots the same caliber as your Ruger Mini 14, which is a ranch rifle.

3. All guns kill, there is no "good" gun or "bad" gun. "Good" hunting rifles shoot much bigger and more powerful cartridges than the AR15, and can do it much farther, with better accuracy, and more deadly.

4. Even when you ban all guns, human will find other ways to kill each other, 2010 Chinese school attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

5. A camera is just a camera, some people use it for art and others use it for child pornography. A computer is a computer, some people use it to kill time on the net and others use it steal your bank info. A gun is just a gun, some people use it for self protection and others use to rob banks. You're a good person, owning a camera, a computer, a gun won't "allow" or "encourage" you to do crazy things. You're bad person, without a camera, a computer, a gun you still do crazy things.

 

[camz]

You know I believe Misscream brings up good point on the Zombies. I used to believe that it was a distant possibility but with all that is going on around the world, I wouldn't be surprised if we have some sort of revolution in the near future b/c of wall street, the fed, corrupt financial system, increasing debt, limited growth almost only in emerging markets, peak commodities etc etc. Boy I tell you if this revolution hits the US...with all the guns in this country it's going to make past data look like toys r us.

It's almost like we have to defend ourselves from our own freedom rights in case the fan hits #2. That's what spooks me, it's not the petty one offs scenarios that happen. I think there's a bigger monster then that..

 

[Vtec44]

It's almost like we have to defend ourselves from our own freedom rights in case the fan hits #2. That's what spooks me, it's not the petty one offs scenarios that happen. I think there's a bigger monster then that..

LA Riot and Katrina.

 

[camz]

It's almost like we have to defend ourselves from our own freedom rights in case the fan hits #2. That's what spooks me, it's not the petty one offs scenarios that happen. I think there's a bigger monster then that..

LA Riot and Katrina.

You can have many possible black swan events that can trigger it really.

If what happened in Japan instead happened here, I don't think we'd be as orderly as they were in dealing with the situation. It would be a jungle out here...almost have to defend yourself against ourselves....lol if that makes sense

 

[Hardrock]

I got to experience Katrina first hand and it was a very eary feeling. I have a friend that was being shot at as a rescue boat was trying to rescue them and fortunately there was a well trained officer there to take care of the situation. Unfortunately there are idiots everywhere better to be prepared than to be sorry, especially when the zombies come then its going to be on!:lmao:

 

[camz]

I got to experience Katrina first hand and it was a very eary feeling. I have a friend that was being shot at as a rescue boat was trying to rescue them and fortunately there was a well trained officer there to take care of the situation. Unfortunately there are idiots everywhere better to be prepared than to be sorry, especially when the zombies come then its going to be on!:lmao:

Like Gerald Celente would always say "When people have nothing left to lose, they lose it"

 

[Rekd]

Well the reason that I was shooting so much with the LCP is because that's the "carry" gun.

A couple years ago I got the :wifie: a Barretta Tomcat 32 for Mother's Day. The barrel breaches up like a shotgun so you can load one round in the chamber and fire it without the clip in. Looks about the same size as your LCP, which is probably more comfortable than the Barretta.

Yeah, yer hubby's prolly after a Glock 9mm. It's a great gun. Very reliable. Very simple. Very accurate, especially if you have a friend that can work it a little.

Well, I'm not contesting the right to own guns, I totally understand the self-defense perspective, and I also understand hunting for food...

Don't forget the military aspect. A successful armed invasion of North America would be nearly impossible, even for China. Don't forget the Tyranical aspect either. Hitler is a prime example. There are many others, but do I really need to go on...?

Maybe not but the criminals will just come and steal it from your place

LoL, I keep my weapons in a safe. Your logic is failed.

 

[mrpink]

A few more threads like this and I am going to need to replace the scroll wheel on my mouse.

Free bump. GLWS.







p!nK

 

[o hey tyler]

Free bump. GLWS.


p!nK

Good luck with shit?

 

[Kbarredo]

Canadians own just as many guns as americans but we have less crime. there are also more stabbings than shootings here. Guns are not the problem. Letting someone who has never touched a gun decide its laws is like letting someone who has never touched a camera design one.

 

[Vtec44]

Maybe not but the criminals will just come and steal it from your place

That's like a criminal trying to go to a police station and steal guns, everyone is armed and they don't know where the guns are locked up. Crap, I don't even where my guns are locked up! j/k ... of course I do know... I think...

Have you ever heard of a shoot out at an NRA convention? I don't think so, there are way too many people there that will shoot back! They'll go somewhere that no one is armed, like gun free zones.

 

[Gaerek]

1. Gun ownership is beyond hunting and self-defense.

2. I stated previously that gun posted cosmetically looks like an M16, but it doesn't function like an M16. It shoots the same caliber as your Ruger Mini 14, which is a ranch rifle.

3. All guns kill, there is no "good" gun or "bad" gun. "Good" hunting rifles shoot much bigger and more powerful cartridges than the AR15, and can do it much farther, with better accuracy, and more deadly.

4. Even when you ban all guns, human will find other ways to kill each other, 2010 Chinese school attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

5. A camera is just a camera, some people use it for art and others use it for child pornography. A computer is a computer, some people use it to kill time on the net and others use it steal your bank info. A gun is just a gun, some people use it for self protection and others use to rob banks. You're a good person, owning a camera, a computer, a gun won't "allow" or "encourage" you to do crazy things. You're bad person, without a camera, a computer, a gun you still do crazy things.

Everything you posted here is important. However, the boldfaced line is key. The straw man the anti-gun lobby like to throw out is that certain guns are impractical for hunting and self-defense. Want to know why the US has the 2nd Amendment? Hint: It's not hunting or self-defense. Here, I'll give you a clue:

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

And for reference:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Keep in mind, that during the War for Independence, a militia could NOT exist without private gun ownership. And this was a well known fact to the writers of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The founding fathers intended for us to be able to own guns. There's only been one Supreme Court case that involved the 2nd Amendment so far, and that court case upheld the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

And for those that say firearms are unsafe, you're simply not looking at the statistics. If your argument is that guns should be banned because they're unsafe, then we need to ban cars, cigarettes, alcohol, ladders, and anything that can start a fire. In addition, shooting sports are among the safest sports in the US. So by this logic, we need to ban our children from playing basketball, (American) football, soccer (or football for anyone not in America), baseball, and track and field as well, because statistically they're all FAR more dangerous than ANY shooting sport.

 

[adversus]

All I wanted was to see some nice photography using firearms as subject matter. Sigh.

 

[Gaerek]

All I wanted was to see some nice photography using firearms as subject matter. Sigh.

Impossible without a gun control debate!