Guns Go Bang! - C&C

[Bitter Jeweler]

Guns are ok, but they should be kept out of the hands of people with anger management issues.

 

[Vtec44]

Don't forget about the #1 killer in the US - cars.

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[The_Traveler]

This is an incredibly silly argument because all of these statistics leave out the issue of incidence.
Because so few people die of rattle snake bit every year, you wouldn't consider rattle snakes as harmless.

I'm not against guns; in point of fact, in 24 years of active duty Army, I've probably fired more types of weapons that 99% of the people here. I've shot almost every small arm in the Army's arsenal from 38 pistols to helicopter mounted mini-guns and 50 calibre machine guns. I've shot t people and they've shot at me. I know very clearly how firearms pump up testosterone and make people feel different about themselves.

If we were all well trained , psychologically and economically very stable than guns wouldn't make the impact they do. The self-defense argument is crap. If that were so, then everyone would be buying a 12 gauge shotgun and keeping that around. No, it's the worship of the macho-ness and the death at a distance that makes firearms so dangerous in peoples' hands.

 

[Josh66]

Don't forget about the #1 killer in the US - cars.

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Another reason statistics are so pointless...

I was using the same source that The Traveler said he got his numbers from. According to the CDC, motor vehicles are (by a large margin) the leading cause of death. Firearms were somewhere around 2-5% of all deaths, motor vehicles were somewhere around 60%.

 

[o hey tyler]

Cigarettes anyone? 443,000 deaths annually according to the CDC.

 

[behanana]

I just like shooting my 9mm, it's not the biggest, it's not the loudest, but when I've got 5 magazines loaded to the max and can just sit at the range and go to town, it's damn fun . Especially when shooting something fun like pop bottles, or cans, or other crap that pops when shot. Yeah...I'm a redneck!

 

[Vtec44]

The self-defense argument is crap. If that were so, then everyone would be buying a 12 gauge shotgun and keeping that around.

I'd like to see you try to conceal carry a 12-gauge. That type of gun may work for you, but not for someone else.

No, it's the worship of the macho-ness and the death at a distance that makes firearms so dangerous in peoples' hands.

The ability for a woman to equalize her strength by safely disable a 6ft tall 250-lbs intruder at a distance without injuring herself is pretty awesome. A gun is nothing more than a tool, like a car, ladder, knifes, and many other things. I personally don't think I'll ever need a gun for self defense.

You don't need a gun to kill many people quickly, 2010 Chinese school attacks.

 

[Josh66]

The self-defense argument is crap. If that were so, then everyone would be buying a 12 gauge shotgun and keeping that around.

I'd like to see you try to conceal carry a 12-gauge. That type of gun may work for you, but not for someone else.

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:lmao:

 

[The_Traveler]

The self-defense argument is crap. If that were so, then everyone would be buying a 12 gauge shotgun and keeping that around.

I'd like to see you try to conceal carry a 12-gauge. That type of gun may work for you, but not for someone else.

No, it's the worship of the macho-ness and the death at a distance that makes firearms so dangerous in peoples' hands.

The ability for a woman to equalize her strength by safely disable a 6ft tall 250-lbs intruder at a distance without injuring herself is pretty awesome. A gun is nothing more than a tool, like a car, ladder, knifes, and many other things. I personally don't think I'll ever need a gun for self defense.

You don't need a gun to kill many people quickly, 2010 Chinese school attacks.

OK, one standard ugly kind of pistol and one standard shotgun - that's all we really need for self-defense.
After that it's just a different kind of masturbation.

 

[gsgary]

The self-defense argument is crap. If that were so, then everyone would be buying a 12 gauge shotgun and keeping that around.

I'd like to see you try to conceal carry a 12-gauge. That type of gun may work for you, but not for someone else.

No, it's the worship of the macho-ness and the death at a distance that makes firearms so dangerous in peoples' hands.

The ability for a woman to equalize her strength by safely disable a 6ft tall 250-lbs intruder at a distance without injuring herself is pretty awesome. A gun is nothing more than a tool, like a car, ladder, knifes, and many other things. I personally don't think I'll ever need a gun for self defense.

You don't need a gun to kill many people quickly, 2010 Chinese school attacks.

OK, one standard ugly kind of pistol and one standard shotgun - that's all we really need for self-defense.
After that it's just a different kind of masturbation.

Whats wrong with your hands thats all i have ever used or a headbut when i was attacked by 5 youths about 6 months ago the one with the loadest mouth got it first second got a punch and the other 3 ran off

 

[c.cloudwalker]

This is an incredibly silly argument because all of these statistics leave out the issue of incidence.
Because so few people die of rattle snake bit every year, you wouldn't consider rattle snakes as harmless.

I'm not against guns; in point of fact, in 24 years of active duty Army, I've probably fired more types of weapons that 99% of the people here. I've shot almost every small arm in the Army's arsenal from 38 pistols to helicopter mounted mini-guns and 50 calibre machine guns. I've shot t people and they've shot at me. I know very clearly how firearms pump up testosterone and make people feel different about themselves.

If we were all well trained , psychologically and economically very stable than guns wouldn't make the impact they do. The self-defense argument is crap. If that were so, then everyone would be buying a 12 gauge shotgun and keeping that around. No, it's the worship of the macho-ness and the death at a distance that makes firearms so dangerous in peoples' hands.

Well said, the whole post. However, "death at a distance" is a major point in this argument. It is much harder to knife someone (physically and psychologically) than to shoot them.

Don't forget about the #1 killer in the US - cars.

FARS Encyclopedia

Another reason statistics are so pointless...

I agree. Statistics are crap unless you know the ins and outs of every study. That said, it doesn't matter in this instance. We need cars, we don't need guns. And, frankly, the deaths in/by cars would be easy enough to reduce. Not so with the guns.

The self-defense argument is crap. If that were so, then everyone would be buying a 12 gauge shotgun and keeping that around.

I'd like to see you try to conceal carry a 12-gauge. That type of gun may work for you, but not for someone else.

No, it's the worship of the macho-ness and the death at a distance that makes firearms so dangerous in peoples' hands.

The ability for a woman to equalize her strength by safely disable a 6ft tall 250-lbs intruder at a distance without injuring herself is pretty awesome. A gun is nothing more than a tool, like a car, ladder, knifes, and many other things. I personally don't think I'll ever need a gun for self defense.

You don't need a gun to kill many people quickly, 2010 Chinese school attacks.

OK, one standard ugly kind of pistol and one standard shotgun - that's all we really need for self-defense.
After that it's just a different kind of masturbation.

Had to laugh at this one because, yes, to me, guns in the US are 90% d*ck extensions. My gun is longer than yours type of thing. :lmao:

I just like shooting my 9mm, it's not the biggest, it's not the loudest, but when I've got 5 magazines loaded to the max and can just sit at the range and go to town, it's damn fun . Especially when shooting something fun like pop bottles, or cans, or other crap that pops when shot. Yeah...I'm a redneck!

Nicely said. I'm with you on that one. It's damn fun. And that's all.

 

[camz]

Whats wrong with your hands thats all i have ever used or a headbut when i was attacked by 5 youths about 6 months ago the one with the loadest mouth got it first second got a punch and the other 3 ran off

That's unfortunate but good for you Gary.

I took Krav, MMA and Muay Thai for a long time and the funny thing is that the best defense martial arts actually taught me was to stay away from situations like that, I've never had a physical altercation in long time.

I'm a collector of firearms because I appreciate its mechanical characteristics and history. Will I use it if someone breaks in the house, probably not. I think I'll end up calling the cops first as I don't really have any bullets..lol- I only buy when I go to the range to cater for my perception of safety.

It's just unfortunate that stupid people that own guns gives anybody who practices the 2nd a taboo type of stereotype. I honestly blame that on the loose restrictions. I think to qualify for one, a psych evaluation has to be performed as it's just too much power to have a firearm and be given to somebody who just isn't capable.

 

[gsgary]

Whats wrong with your hands thats all i have ever used or a headbut when i was attacked by 5 youths about 6 months ago the one with the loadest mouth got it first second got a punch and the other 3 ran off

That's unfortunate but good for you Gary.

I took Krav, MMA and Muay Thai for a long time and the funny thing is that the best defense martial arts actually taught me was to stay away from situations like that, I've never had a physical altercation in long time.

I'm a collector of firearms because I appreciate its mechanical characteristics and history. Will I use it if someone breaks in the house, probably not. I think I'll end up calling the cops first as I don't really have any bullets..lol- I only buy when I go to the range to cater for my perception of safety.

It's just unfortunate that stupid people that own guns gives anybody who practices the 2nd a taboo type of stereotype. I honestly blame that on the loose restrictions. I think to qualify for one, a psych evaluation has to be performed as it's just too much power to have a firearm and be given to somebody who just isn't capable.

I used to do Shotokan for 10 years it teaches you discipline, but in the early 80's i had a 12 bore for clay shooting never touched one since i got a motorbike

 

[Vtec44]

OK, one standard ugly kind of pistol and one standard shotgun - that's all we really need for self-defense.
After that it's just a different kind of masturbation.

I prefer AR15 with frangible ammo.

 

[Vtec44]

Whats wrong with your hands thats all i have ever used or a headbut when i was attacked by 5 youths about 6 months ago the one with the loadest mouth got it first second got a punch and the other 3 ran off

A 5'3" woman may not get the same reaction.