Is it a smart thought to not purchase a camera until I can bear the cost of the full-frame advantage

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  1. amitbhatt

    amitbhatt TPF Noob!

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    Hi,

    I truly love taking a gander at 1950s, 1960s and 70s road photography and I have longs for turning into a road picture taker myself. For this I'll require a decent camera. For the minute I play with my telephone camera however it doesn't deliver palatable results.

    Tragically I'm excessively poor and I additionally live in an exceptionally poor nation experiencing destitution and I work odd occupations just to survive. By and by, I'm ready to spare some cash towards my objective of purchasing a decent camera, and I mean another camera, not utilized, as most utilized cameras are close to their demise in my nation because of everybody purchasing utilized cameras and utilizing them as much as they can as few individuals can purchase new apparatus because of neediness.

    I've spared what might as well be called about $233. With some more cash I could purchase an APS-C camera. Be that as it may, I need the full's delight edge advantage.

    Is it justified, despite all the trouble to delay purchasing a camera with the goal that I can purchase a full-outline camera?


     
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    What is the second hand market like in your country? You might be able to find a good condition second hand Canon 5D which, whilst older, is still a very capable fullframe camera body.

    As for if you should or shouldn't wait; that's really up to you and how long you can hold out and save and how much you can justify for the expense.
     
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    dcbear78 No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    There are absolutely amazing crop sensor cameras out there that are more than capable of taking the photos most people want. To me Nikon, Pentax and Fuji are the picks. Canon's 7Dii is great but very specialised and expensive.

    Then there are micro four thirds. Still a great option. And quite possibly the best travel cameras are found here.

    People believe too much of the hype of full frame. It is better. But not the be all and end all.
     
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    The_Traveler Completely Counter-dependent Supporting Member

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    Do a search on 'best cheap point and shoot'
    Get any modern camera you can.
    Inevitably they will be able to take excellent pictures, the rest is up to you.
     
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    Not sure where you got the idea of a "full frame advantage". Where ever it was, stop paying attention to that source. The road photography from the 1950's technically has as little to do with a full frame camera as does a modern luxury car to a 1950's Greyhound bus.

    If you like the photography but you are examining the technical merits of the shot, then you are, IMO, missing the beauty of the image.

    As Traveler suggests; it is not the camera, it is the photographer.

    You make the photo, only if you are looking for some sort of fame and fortune does the photo make you.

    First, realize anyone trying to sell you a technical advantage in their product is in the business of always selling their next more advanced product. Whatever you would buy today would technically be outdated in short time.

    There is no real world advantage to simply chasing technology, it will always remain an elusive goal.



    I recently mentioned the few poster sized photos I have on my walls. They were, in a few instances, taken with a $10 camera over thirty years ago. IMO the "technical" merits of those shots are in the composition and the intent, the subject matter and the event captured.

    Any - literally any - camera today could make a technically superior photograph.

    No camera today could take a better composed shot (IMO) or a shot with any more intention behind it. No camera today could capture those subjects and those events simply because subjects and events are momentary and fleeting. Once they are gone, they are gone forever.

    Realizing that is one of the prime lessons of being a photographer.

    That's only my opinion of my own photography but I do know one rule ...

    You cannot become a better photographer until you begin taking photographs.

    Every day you put off shooting photos is a day you have missed an opportunity. If, as a photographer, you cannot take advantage of an opportunity, your photos may be technically superior to my photos but I seriously doubt your photos will be as interesting as my photos.

    Buy a camera you can afford and begin to enjoy shooting what interests you.
     
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    ^ This. You can pick up a nice used big zoom bridge for less than 200 bucks and it's way for fun to be driving a Chevy than doing nothing while you want till you can afford a Caddy.

    This was my first go at photography using a used FZ150 I paid $165 for last spring.
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    And besides with a cheap camera you don't have to worry so much about shooting outside or in a little rain even.
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    It really is not worth it in your circumstances, I think, my friend.

    Modern APS-C cameras are very, very good. If you want to go full frame you need to realise that you will need to invest more into full frame lenses that are not cheap, into a high quality monitor, calibration device, good software to start with, otherwise it just makes little sense. It is a very expensive hobby and it is easy to be sucked into more and more expenses. Especially if you read photography forums :) I bet you have more useful things to spend your money on.

    My strong view (not supported here by many forum members, but shared by all professionals I talked to) is that a full frame camera is just a waste of money for 90% of amateurs, even for those with deep pockets. I have an APS-C system and I am very happy with it. Actually I have three APS-C 16Mp cameras and think it is a sweet spot format for an amateur - great IQ, compact files, light weight, small size, affordable - perfect.

    Good practice is to buy a camera that is not too expensive for you and that you will not be devastated to lose. Then you will be using it as a tool, thinking not about the camera, but about the image you are after. If you like photography, then it will be much more fun and much less trouble. If you want a cool gadget, then is a completely different story, I can not advise here.

    As for used cameras - do you have access to eBay?
     
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    Soufiej put it very well. Buy what you can afford and start taking photographs. Having been a film photographer previously, when I started with digital photography, I bought a 'super' point and shoot camera that allowed full manual control (aperture, shutter speed, ISO speed) as well as several automatic options from full 'AUTO' to portraits, scenery, etc. Today, I use a Canon G15 in addition to my DSLR. Previous versions of the G-series have full control, also. In my opinion, having a camera that allows all levels of automation from 'none' to AUTO and everywhere in between provides a good starting point to learn all aspects of digital photography. Don't forget you'll need some computer software to process the images as well, and GIMP is well-featured and free! GIMP - The GNU Image Manipulation Program
     
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    Having a full frame camera makes some pictures easier to capture. It's such a small need that you most likely will never run into the situation where you can't get the shot without full-frame.
    I'm a Nikon guy so would suggest looking for a used D90 or even a D60. It would be great to get a newer camera with more features but you can be very creative at your budget range.
     
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    It's not the camera, it's the photographer (a wise man one said that...and he was right!). Every day without a camera is a day you aren't taking pictures, earning your art, and getting better. I've seen full frame DSLRs in the hands of mediocre shooters (meanwhile a friend of mine who used to be on the runway in Milan and Paris before she retired and went on the other side of the lens...now shoots animals, weddings and landscapes) likes to shoot stuff with her phone camera. It's the photographer, not the camera. A great photographer can take advantage of a full frame camera. A mediocre or inexperienced one won't.
     
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    Thnx all of you for your great information regarding my post .....now feel i m in great place ...
     
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    I think the smartest thing to do is to just get out there and start taking pictures. The camera doesn't matter. Lighting matters the most when it comes to a photograph (there is no photograph without light), and skill matters; skill that isn't acquired by having a full frame camera. Once you start taking pictures you are going to immediately start learning. Having a full frame camera isn't going to teach you anything more than a cropped frame camera will. I think the sooner you get a camera, the better. You should get the APS-C camera so you can start shooting right away.
     
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