What I meant was hopefully after the beginning of next year, as in between Jan 1 and summer. I did not realize I needed to be so literal, but like I said "wishful thinking". I am sure you are right though about the price not coming down much further. I really thought about the MK II because there are a lot of used ones and it looks like a great camera to practice on. But like I said I am happy with my 7D so I may not be in the same situation as others. I do agree that if I did not have a camera then I would not play the waiting game based on rumors either. Thanks for your perspective on the MK II and MK III situation that you encountered it helps me put my MK III dreams into a better perspective some.