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A few weeks ago, I posted inquiring about a possible upgrade to my current lens set up. After some consideration, I feel it would be better to invest in new glass in the form of filters (circular polarizers and ND filters) as well as proper photo editing software such as Lightroom or Aperture.

I was wondering if you guys had any advice on buying filters and experience with the programs mentioned,
Thanks for your time
 
I tried Lightroom; don't really care for it. I use PSE 10, and it does everything I need it to do, all for a whopping eighty bucks. I've never tried Aperture. Is that a Mac thing?

What filters you buy will be largely impacted by what you shoot. If you're shooting concerts or track and field, an ND filter isn't going to do you much good. I'm one of those people who don't use many filters. I will, on occasion, use a CPL. I found that I would sometimes get some flare with a UV filter on a lens, so I stopped using those, although just about every lens "for sale" ad you read will say "Has had a filter on it from day one", giving a nod to the probably fine condition of the front element.

What glass were you looking at buying before deciding on filters? The last lens I bought was just north of a grand, and I just can't imagine spending that kind of money on filters...
 
Sorry, I didn't clarify, the most I can spend at this time is $300-400.

I'm still developing as a photographer so I shoot pretty much anything and everything and I shoot for my school's newspaper.

In terms of software, I have a mac and I'm looking for something better than iPhoto for post-production
 
Lightroom is great. I tried LR and Aperture extensively before I chose one. I'm a Mac guy, so initially I wanted Aperture, but LR just seemed more mature a system. Having a copy of photoshop (or even photoshop elements) is also a good idea, but 95% of all the edits I do are just in LR. LR and Aperture both have free trials. I suggest you try them out.
 
I assume you're already shooting RAW ? LR isn't useful if you shoot jpeg.

Free trials are the way to go !
 
Kolia said:
I assume you're already shooting RAW ? LR isn't useful if you shoot jpeg.

Free trials are the way to go !

Not true...Lightroom works just as good for jpegs as any other program out there.
 
LR is built to handle RAW. You'll be wasting a good piece of software by using jpeg with it.

Use PSE if you prefer to use jpeg.
 
If you're looking for new glass, get some NEW GLASS! Filters are interesting, but they won't fix poor glass output. What are you shooting with currently?

For your budget of $300-400, the Canon EF 24-135 USM IS 3.5-5.6 is a great peice of glass right in that price range. It's versitile, crisp and fairly fast. A great all around lens if you shoot canon. I'm sure there's a similar Nikon version out there.

Lightroom is great. It can really expedite the post processing, and you can get some great results in a short period of time (for both jpeg and RAW, though I reccomend RAW like others).
 
Yep would go lightroom whether for jpegs or in my case raw images. Not only all the great editing I need. But superior organizing,tagging with Slideshow,Print and Web develop modules.
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Yep. Lightroom's Develop module is a Raw converter. Specifically, Lightroom's Develop module uses Adobe Camera Raw as it's edit rendering engine.
The limited bit-depth a JPEG file has (only 8-bits) impacts how, and how much, a JPEG can be edited in Lightroom compared to a Raw file. JPEG has very limited editing headroom.

ACR first appeared as a plug-in to Photoshop 7. The first version of Lightroom used ACR 4. Lightroom 4 and CS 6's Camera Raw both us ACR 7.
CS 6 is Photoshop 13. Photoshop 8 was the first to be known as CS. Photoshop 9 is known as CS 2, etc.
 
For any photographer, buying Lightroom wold be my 1st first recommendation.
 
If you're looking for new glass, get some NEW GLASS! Filters are interesting, but they won't fix poor glass output. What are you shooting with currently?

For your budget of $300-400, the Canon EF 24-135 USM IS 3.5-5.6 is a great peice of glass right in that price range. It's versitile, crisp and fairly fast. A great all around lens if you shoot canon. I'm sure there's a similar Nikon version out there.

Lightroom is great. It can really expedite the post processing, and you can get some great results in a short period of time (for both jpeg and RAW, though I reccomend RAW like others).

My current setup is using the Tamron 17-50 F/2.8, and the Canon 55-250 and I do shoot in RAW. I would like to upgrade eventually, but I thought it would be more beneficial to learn how to use filters and post-production so that I could get the most out of my current set up and save up money to properly upgrade (Full Frame and L-Lenses, if I land a good job post-grad).
 
Kolia said:
LR is built to handle RAW. You'll be wasting a good piece of software by using jpeg with it.

Use PSE if you prefer to use jpeg.

Not true...you would not be wasting anything using LR for jpegs.
 
I'm a heavy Aperture user and quite happy with it. I tried Lightroom back when it was only a beta ... so it's not fair to compare that functionality to Aperture. Today, I have friends who use Lightroom, and every so often we discuss features. I've learned that it has a few features I wish I had, as well I have a few features they wish they had. I'm not really certain who's ahead w.r.t. features or performance, etc. but Lightroom is probably ahead based on market share.

I think Lightroom 3 was behind in features, but now that they've released Lightroom 4 it seems most of the functionality Aperture had over Lightroom is finally in Lightroom as well (I'm not sure about file management though... the friends I have you use Lightroom don't think they can do some of the things I can do w.r.t. management of offline (aka "referenced masters") images. But it's also possible it does something in that area and my friends have never tried to use it.

Either way, both are really optimized for a RAW workflow and you'll get the most out of them if you shoot in RAW (both can handle JPEGs as well.) Both let you edit images in Photoshop if you need to do something they can't do natively. Both have plug-ins.

You'll find that they can both do about 95%+ of everything you'd ever want to do with an image. I hardly ever have to invoke Photoshop to do an edit, but I guarantee you will occasionally still need it -- particularly where heavy manipulation is required (Aperture & Lightroom are mostly intended to do "adjustments"... not heavy manipulations.) Their major advantage is that they are a combination of a non-destructive RAW workflow and imaging adjustment app AND a digital asset management app at the same time. So you import entire shoots and the "adjustments" you perform can be performed on the entire shoot all at once (you can sort-of do that with Photoshop but it's more cumbersome... you don't actually open & save files in Aperture or Lightroom like you do with Photoshop.)

I definitely recommend you own one of these two.

As for filters:

ND filters change your shooting conditions by cutting light. If you need a slower shutter speed or a wider aperture than the lighting will allow, the ND filter will cut the light so you can do that. Other than that, the exposed image should look the same (noting that a wider aperture will narrow your DoF so it can allow you to blur the background and a slower shutter can help you imply motion into your images -- but colors, saturation, contrast, etc.... none of that will change with an ND filter (at least... let's HOPE not.))

As for circular polarizers... I HIGHLY recommend them. It's one of those things that should be in every photographer's bag. By selectively allowing light to pass through the filter based on the polarity of the wave it has the ability to cut reflections... but that's just the beginning. The side-effect of cutting reflections is that there are micro reflections in everything... the waxy coating on foliage, the droplets of water vapor in the air, etc. Consequently not only can you shoot subjects through windows a lot easier, you also get richer color saturation when shooting outdoors. Skies are bluer, plants are greener, clouds pop more, etc. Just be aware that what the filter is _really_ doing is based on light polarity, so angle of reflection will have much to do with how well the filter works.

A good filter (regardless of ND or CPL) should block light evenly. Some poor filters block certain wavelengths more than others resulting in a color cast. You wouldn't want an ND that, in addition to reducing light, also makes everything look greenish... or pinkish, etc. the color should remain the same... but merely get darker. But some will put a color cast on your images. Same is true of CPLs.
 
Kolia said:
LR is built to handle RAW. You'll be wasting a good piece of software by using jpeg with it.

Use PSE if you prefer to use jpeg.

Not true...you would not be wasting anything using LR for jpegs.

Have you used both LR and PSE ?

For one thing, LR is twice the price of PSE. Second, PSE's Organizer application is keyword based like LR but in extra it will analyze the shots automatically and do face recognition. Also, iTunes will recognize Organizer's albums and make them available to its devices. New with PSE10, it also run in 64bits, like LR.

Honestly, for an amateur on a budget who believes in paying for his software, PSE is the better choice all around. It's major drawback is when using RAW files. Then LR is preferable but like Tim said, eventually you'll need PSE for editing.

I use LR and have PSE and PRE for editing and video.
 

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