New lighting, where do I start? :)

[Kbarredo]

And this is why you and MANY others have alienated some of the best people you possibly can. People are ignoring the wrong people. And that's fine, I suppose. But that would be like ignoring Ansel Adams while he gives a lecture on photography. Keep listening to the people who don't mind answering your questions, and fail to learn. Keep ignoring those that actually know what they are talking about.

Oh really and how many times has ansel adams said "you lack intelligence and common sense." in any of his books. Books are written because it allows the knowledge to be spread faster. As for instructors being paid you are very wrong. Ever heard of an apprenticeship. The journeymen teach apprentice in return for their help and commitment. Yes I have been In a college class. I was taking first year psychology. the assignments are not assigned because the prof is too tired or grumpy to teach. It is assigned so you can apply the info you have just learned or to help the information stick in your head a little better. It has been proven that being told something and reading it up in a book and applying it can have a dramatic difference in learning speeds. Its not the method that is the problem. Its the reason behind it.

 

[Kbarredo]

It’s a little bit more complicated than “teachers teach, newbies learn”. The process of learning can be thought of as a journey, with a starting point, a destination, and a route that will take you from here to there. Newbies typically don’t know where they are, since they haven’t learned to recognize the scenery around them. And when you don’t know what you don’t know, then you can be thinking that you’re much further up the trail than you actually are. So the first challenge is for the teacher and the student to agree that they are at the same starting point. That’s when the name-calling starts:

“Hey teach, look how high I am!”
“Pftt. You’re in a ditch, and you’ve gotten out of the swampy water and are getting up the slope of the road shoulder.”
“No, I’m not! I can see the river that I have crossed, and now up going up the foothills of that mountain!”
“Um, that “river” is two feet wide, filled with semi-stagnant water, and the “foothills” you’re climbing are some eroded road shoulders.”
“Teach – you’re not being very helpful!”
“Well, I’m trying to explain to you where you are, and you don’t want to know it. And until you get out of that ditch, we aren’t going anywhere.”
“uh, you’re a fraud.”
“And you are lazy.”

If we agree on a starting point, and we have a specific destination in mind, then we can plot a route to it. There can be more than one route to the objective, but chances are, if you follow the route the teacher outlined, you’ll get there. Of course, students can veer off the route and try to do it themselves. If they are lucky, they’ll find a shortcut, but usually, they will end up on a much more difficult path, or even in a dead-end ravine. It really helps to know the terrain, and the newbie just doesn’t have this information.

But that is not the usual problem here. If it was in a tpf way.
"Hey teach look how high I am!"
"You're an idiot"
" Why do you think Im an idiot?"
"You figure it out"

I know people here are tired of repeating themselves in life. But here is something to put your anger into perspective. I GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE FOR A LIVING! Do you see me freaking out on newbies for asking repetitive questions, no. I click on the thread and see if I can help. If i cant I hit back. If I do know some stuff about that topic I help out.

 

[Gaerek]

Oh really and how many times has ansel adams said "you lack intelligence and common sense." in any of his books.

How many old threads and google searches say that? Again the point just whizzed right over your head. People here are wiling to help, if you are willing to learn and do some footwork yourself. Unfortunately, you and others don't want to be bothered to do the footwork. You want the easy path. Is it so wrong to expect someone to actually do some research before trying to ask the same questions that have been asked hundreds if times?

Books are written because it allows the knowledge to be spread faster. As for instructors being paid you are very wrong. Ever heard of an apprenticeship. The journeymen teach apprentice in return for their help and commitment.

You used the analogy of a college professor. Now you want to change your analogy? Cool, I'll show you the flaws in this one also. An apprentice doesn't just sit around learning. He is expected to GIVE BACK to his master with labor, work, products he's created, etc. It is a symbiotic relationship, not a parasitic relationship. Both apprentice and master are getting something out of the relationship. You even admitted this. You are arguing for a parasitic relationship where a newbie gets to take, take, take while giving nothing back, simply because he's a newbie. The vets here give a lot of their time to try to help people with practically NOTHING in return. This is nothing like an apprentice/master relationship.

Yes I have been In a college class. I was taking first year psychology. the assignments are not assigned because the prof is too tired or grumpy to teach.

You've taken one class? If that's the case, you certainly aren't the authority on this. I have two complete degrees. I've been taking classes on and off for the past 12 years. When someone here asks someone to look something up themselves or work for themselves, its not because they are tired or grumpy, it's because:

It is assigned so you can apply the info you have just learned or to help the information stick in your head a little better.

Amazing how that works. You have now admitted that doing work for yourself helps you learn things better, yet you still advocate doing things the easy way, relying on others to hand hold you through the basics? No wonder you aren't really learning much here...

It has been proven that being told something and reading it up in a book and applying it can have a dramatic difference in learning speeds. Its not the method that is the problem. Its the reason behind it.

Really? Proven? Show me where you learned that. Keep in mind that no matter if you ask on the forum or look for it yourself, you are still reading it! The same learning style (if you believe in learning styles) are being applied!

I love how you disproved your own points in your post. It makes my job so much easier.

 

[Kbarredo]

And how long did that wall of text take you? its not parasitic if the student helps spreads the knowledge in return.

 

[Gaerek]

And how long did that wall of text take you?

About 5 minutes. Too long for you to read?

its not parasitic if the student helps spreads the knowledge in return.

If you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you.

The veteran (pro, whatever) gets nothing in return for his work. He gives but receives nothing. This is the definition of parasitic. People help here out of their own kindness and love of photography, while people like you ***** when they tell you to do some research on your own.

It's great that you want to help others in return, but that is not the same as an apprentice working for a journeyman.

Want to know how I learned photography? I worked for each and every bit of knowledge I have. I had a mentor. You could say I apprenticed under a mentor. I worked in his studio 20 hours a week for 6 months and never earned a dime. My work was repaid with knowledge, film and processing. Anything I've learned since then, I've actually done the legwork and researched. Occasionally, I'd ask for help, but only after I exhausted other types of research.

Anywho, talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. You just don't get it and you might not ever. I'll save my time for people who actually want to learn and get better, not those that are looking for the easy way out.

 

[MissCream]

Wouldn't everyone just be reading it in a thread just posted Kbarredo? Searched or not, it's not like someone is in person showing it to you, it is still something you have to read.

 

[The_Traveler]

Speaking as someone who taught in real life (bio-medical statistics), I used a text.
My students were assigned chapters and then the class was given over to examples using our own area and clarification of issues that were unclear in the text. In point of fact, the teachers who merely regurgitated the text were the least enjoyable and the most unhelpful

Why would I want to repeat, over and over, material that had been written, edited, re-edited and corrected and then printed in excruciating detail?

But then again, my students were in doctoral studies or post-docs and they could actually read.

 

[frisii]

@vonstarr
Bracketing is taking multiple shots of the same/similar situation but using variated settings..i.e shutter speed (exposure compensation), aperture, flash power, focal point.

 

[NikonME]

Just to play devil's advocate for a second.. Wouldn't this thread be much shorter if we just posted links to all of the other threads just like this one already in this forum instead of trying to teach the offenders one at a time?

I think two things would stop these type of threads..

#1: Newbs could search for their answer before posting questions.

#2: Members could refrain from replying at all if you don't want to reply to redundant questions. Just let the post die with 400+ Views and 0 Replies. I think newbs would get the point better that way and the forum would have less drama.

Just my 2 cents

 

[vtf]

"OK cool I shall just google some stuff, it is just nice to talk to actual people not a search engine which some people don't seem to get either Thanks" READ PROPERLY

I am looking for a Canon 70x200 lens, I have spent hours reading reviews on the f4 and 2.8 versions, IS versions and searched ebay and vendors for prices. I have been on here and POTN looking at threads of people's opinions of the the build and image quality. I have done this for the past 3 months. About a month ago I had a thread where I asked for opinions for lenses specifically the 70x200 and also received some great suggestions on other lenses to add to my equipment list.
My point is: this forum is about discussion, you have to bring to the table all you know and could learn on your own to add to the discussion. This thread's direction would've been different if you had said " I've read this book, watched this video and I am having difficulty getting the right shadowing in my lighting, I've posted a picture. I've placed my lights like this. Could someone elighten me, please."

I wish you well, but the forum will go the way it wants to go and very little change has occurred in the year I've been a member. Once you choose to fit into the forum the more you will learn useful information.

 

[ghache]

This is the 500+ "Likes" club having a pool day! BRAVO TFP! Cute bunch hen!

 

[ryan_caldero]

You can go on and on but please do it somewhere I am not...

But, but, but I was here first!

Not on my post you weren't. You have the maturity of a school boy and yet I bet you are some 40 odd year old boring man sat behind his computer screen pretending to be some one he is not. You would not be this rude to someone in the street would you yet because you can hide you act like an idiot. GOOD BYE

Wwwoooooow.....

I am starting to notice alot more negative cats on this site...

VonStarchicky - Try going on YOUTUBE and searching "Lighting techinques"... That way you get more visual guidance rather than some jerky throwing rocks and pulling your hair and saying "Neener-Neener"

 

[Village Idiot]

Speaking as someone who taught in real life (bio-medical statistics), I used a text.
My students were assigned chapters and then the class was given over to examples using our own area and clarification of issues that were unclear in the text. In point of fact, the teachers who merely regurgitated the text were the least enjoyable and the most unhelpful

Why would I want to repeat, over and over, material that had been written, edited, re-edited and corrected and then printed in excruciating detail?

But then again, my students were in doctoral studies or post-docs and they could actually read.

Yes. And even then, they may not have the best grasps of the information, how it works, and how to relate it to real world issues. That's why I quit the first college I was in. By my sophmore year, I was in 300 and 400 level networking classes with professors that did this. I asked when we were going to be able to apply this to real world situations and components and I was told that once we got a job in the real world, we would be able to. WTF good is that going to do? I would have had this piece of paper saying that I read all these books on how to administer a network, but if you hire me, I don't know what I'm doing? That was a waste of time and money.

 

[Gaerek]

This is the 500+ "Likes" club having a pool day! BRAVO TFP! Cute bunch hen!

You know someone got banned for posting a similar picture in a similar context yesterday? Reported...

 

[Village Idiot]

Look up how to read a histogram in google. Its hard to explain but have you ever pressed a button and a weird graph pops up. That's the histogram. If you learn to read it properly it is more accurate than the built in meter on the camera. Also stop arguing with these guys you can't win. They could straight out call you a retard and others will say they weren't being rude. Believe me I know. If a question is too easy they say google it. When a question is too long to explain they say they don't want to take the time.

No it's not. Left is dark, right is light. If the bars clip at the left, you lose image data in the shadows, if the clip at the right, you get blown highlights. It shows where the brightness is in the image. That's the most basic explanation.

First off do you want a portable lighting set? I know you said studio but are you going to be using it for outdoor on location shots as well. if you are mostly using it for studio lighting a monolight set is much cheaper than buying the parts individually. Also monolights have a Modelling lamp as well as the flash bulb so you know what where the flash will light up when it fires. speed lights on the other hand are very portable but you have to guess where the light will land and with beginners its hard as hell. continuous lighting is the cheapest and what you see is what you get in the pics. But they suck because you need to keep the shutter low because they are not as bright as flashes. This is ok when your model is an adult or not living but horrible when they are children because it creates alot of motion blur. Read up on "how to stop motion with flash". Sorry I'm referring you so much on google but I'm using my galaxy phone and swype is starting to hurt.

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