Photographer sued for refusing service

[unpopular]

Thats why I mentioned conflict of interest rather than "eww that's gross and sinful". I don't know if it has any legal standing or not, however.

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So, then under this same logic, George, business owners should be allowed to not serve "colored" people? If not, then why are homosexuals any different? After all, many of the same arguments, that they'd make the customers feel uncomfortable, or that because it's unnatural or against "God" we're used before desegregation.

 

[IByte]

So if a member of NAMBLA walks into a studio with a 6-year old boy, the photographer is legally bound to photograph the man and the boy having sex?

Nope that's where the right ends. Rights do have limits, but given the fact the guy hates gays, an owns a legitimate business that's open to the public, the courts favored the gay couple.

 

[IByte]

"He's right! It's the same thing with the femenists. You know, they want everything to be equal, everything! But when the check comes, where are they?" - George Costanza

Thumbsup. I wonder what homophobes think when they extend their telephoto lens hmmmmmm.

 

[JSER]

This appears to be the culture in the USA, sue and compensation, sahme is we are going the same way.

 

[Trever1t]

There seems to be a lot of misinformation in this thread regarding rights and homosexuality. I do go around saying I like boobies (and butts) .. but somewhat discretely.


I don't think Gay people choose to be gay any more than I choose to be straight.

 

[The_Traveler]

If I was gay and someone didn't want to work with me, I would go find someone who did, taking someone to court to force them into doing something for you isn't going to make that person like you. its not going to change there opinion of you, its just going to make them hate you even more. just seems entirly counter-productive.

Their point probably wasn't changing their mind..it was either the noble cause of bringing attention to discrimination for sexual orientation, or just taking money from a less that clever photog who stated the cause for turning down the job.

they didn't ask for any money damages only for court costs.
And that's what they received.

 

[Kerbouchard]

Thats why I mentioned conflict of interest rather than "eww that's gross and sinful". I don't know if it has any legal standing or not, however.

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So, then under this same logic, George, business owners should be allowed to not serve "colored" people? If not, then why are homosexuals any different?

Sticking strictly to photography, I already addressed that. A difference in skin tones requires a different skill set. A different lighting setup, and different editing methods. Whether we as a society have forgotten or not, there actually is a difference between black and white people. I happen to know since my wife is black.

As far a this particular case, a homosexual ceremony is something that is completely alien to many people. I have never seen one, and honestly, I can say that it would be an unfamiliar setting for me. That unfamiliarity would lead to me not being able to do the best job that I could. Maybe after 3 or 4, I would be familiar enough with it to be able to anticipate the events of the day, but that doesn't mean I should be compelled to do a poor job on the first.

And again, whether or not society wants to acknowledge it, there is a difference between a commitment ceremony between two people of the same gender and a wedding.

 

[unpopular]

This appears to be the culture in the USA, sue and compensation, sahme is we are going the same way.

If you break a law in criminal jurisdiction you go to jail. Break a law in civil jurisdiction, you get sued. If you are caught breaking the law, you have to live with certain consequences regardless if what you did should be illegal or not. Don't want to go to jail? Don't break the law. Don't want to get sued? Don't break the law.

 

[yerlem]

they didn't ask for any money damages only for court costs.
And that's what they received.

In that case they weren't trying to profit financially from it, which renders a lot of comments invalid. You can stop comparing the case with scams won by consumers..

 

[The_Traveler]

However, one can chose to be gay.

Wrong.
Wrong on the facts.
Wrong on the law.

Wrong on just so many things.

 

[unpopular]

Thats why I mentioned conflict of interest rather than "eww that's gross and sinful". I don't know if it has any legal standing or not, however.---So, then under this same logic, George, business owners should be allowed to not serve "colored" people? If not, then why are homosexuals any different?

Sticking strictly to photography, I already addressed that. A difference in skin tones requires a different skill set. A different lighting setup, and different editing methods. As far a this particular case, a homosexual ceremony is something that is completely alien to many people. I have never seen one, and honestly, I can say that it would be an unfamiliar setting for me. That unfamiliarity would lead to me not being able to do the best job that I could. Maybe after 3 or 4, I would be familiar enough with it to be able to anticipate the events of the day, but that doesn't mean I should be compelled to do a poor job on the first.

I don't really know, George. I think a professional would be obligated to inform them that they may not be the best choice, but I am not 100% sure if this wold be grounds to decline services. You'd certainly have a better defense.

 

[The_Traveler]

As far a this particular case, a homosexual ceremony is something that is completely alien to many people. I have never seen one, and honestly, I can say that it would be an unfamiliar setting for me. That unfamiliarity would lead to me not being able to do the best job that I could. Maybe after 3 or 4, I would be familiar enough with it to be able to anticipate the events of the day, but that doesn't mean I should be compelled to do a poor job on the first.

So, that same kind of thinking would mean you could never have sex because you didn't have any experience and didn't want to do a bad job.

I've been to several commitment cenremonies and there's nothing different except the pair getting married is of the same gender.

Oh, there is one other difference, I'm pretty certain there a very few stupid bigots in attendance.

 

[12sndsgood]

As far a this particular case, a homosexual ceremony is something that is completely alien to many people. I have never seen one, and honestly, I can say that it would be an unfamiliar setting for me. That unfamiliarity would lead to me not being able to do the best job that I could. Maybe after 3 or 4, I would be familiar enough with it to be able to anticipate the events of the day, but that doesn't mean I should be compelled to do a poor job on the first.

So, that same kind of thinking would mean you could never have sex because you didn't have any experience and didn't want to do a bad job.

I've been to several commitment cenremonies and there's nothing different except the pair getting married is of the same gender.

Oh, there is one other difference, I'm pretty certain there a very few stupid bigots in attendance.

I didnt get paid the first time i had sex, was i suppposed to? am I missing out on something here? lol

 

[unpopular]

Lew, I think George does have a valid point (hah! This is likely the only time you'll hear me say that!!) - should a professional photographer be compelled to photograph a subject which presents a political or ethical conflict of interest? I am enclined to say that they do, but also have a professional responsibility to inform the clients of this conflict.

No matter, There is no need to call names.

 

[Robin Usagani]

I would love to do my first Indian wedding, first gay wedding. I have done my first jewish wedding, that was fun. Your argument is very weird George. I dont know about you, I always love to photograph something comepletely different.