Photographer sued for refusing service

[gsgary]

Sexuality is something that should not be public. That's the issue I have with gays. I don't go around saying "I love boobs and butts".


I DO

 

[yerlem]

As long as you don't give reasons you have a right to decline anyone you want. For example, if a family with a child with downs syndrome comes and you feel disgusted by him or her, just say you are booked for ever. I'm sorry, is that unethical? Politically incorrect, perhaps? So is discriminating based on sexual orientation, but a whole lot of you are defending that.

 

[o hey tyler]

The problem with gay people is that they want everyone else to think being gay is "cool", like it's some sort of lifestyle. Then they proceed to shove it in your face (so to speak).

Yeah, like no one ever shoves their "gay hate" in anyone elses face. *COUGH* YOU *COUGH*

If two men want to go at it in the privacy of their own homes, then so be it. I could care less.

Apparently you don't.

However the problem is that they want to take it outside of the home, the want to turn it into a status.

Can we be naked in our own house? Yes. Can we be naked in public? NO!
Can we have sex in our own house? Yes. Can we have sex in public? NO!

That goes for straight and gay people. Unless you think having sex in public for straight people is common practice and widely accepted.

Sexuality is something that should not be public. That's the issue I have with gays. I don't go around saying "I love boobs and butts".

And not all gay people go around saying "I like men/women." Gay people are JUST LIKE YOU, they just happen to like being romantically involved with someone of their own gender. Big deal.

I have (not by choice), been around gay people. If they want to act like humans, then I don't mind them. It's the ones that act "flamboyant" that I disgust.

I've been around fundamentally religious people (not by choice). If they want to act like humans, then I don't mind them. It's the ones that act bigoted and ignorant that I disgust.

I don't like coke, but I don't mind being around a six pack of coke. But if a can of coke started telling me that "coke is cool, your wrong to hate coke", then I'm going to stomp the can flat.

I don't like backwards religious principles, however I don't mind being around people that agree with those principals. But if a person with backwards religious principles starts telling me "gay people are not equal because they're gay," I'll call them a bigoted, ignorant fool.

We were born with different shaped reproductive organs for a reason. It's like plugging a fan into the wall. But the fan does not plug into another fan. It does not work at all.

Not every straight person can reproduce. Ever heard of sterile men? What's the difference? Marriage is about love, not banging your partner to make a ton of babies. Get that through your head.

If two men are able to legally get married, and never reproduce, then I should be able to legally marry a rock.

Yes, lets equate human beings to non-living objects. That won't blatantly show how stupid you are, or anything like that. Keep it up.

 

[tirediron]

LAST CHANCE PEOPLE! The issue is that a photographer was sued for refusing service, NOT about what is right/wrong or indifferent with being homosexual/straight/black/white/green.

 

[yerlem]

Also, I don't like bitches dropping it like it's hot at the club, I find it innapropiate. doesn't mean I can ban their dance moves.

 

[Robin Usagani]

Jake - no, it doesn't. However you cannot deny service on the sole basis of certain criteria as defined by state and federal law. You can discriminate against dirty clothes, economic status, if they are wearing a hat inside or not, cowboys, heavy metal fans, but you can't decriminalize against race, religion, gender, disability certain age criteria, national origin and in some jurisdictions, sexual orientation.

However, it's bad practice to discriminate against anyone. For example, if you don't serve hippies, you may also be violating certain religious rights which are protected.

There is too much gray area. Sorry.. even if everyone is the same race, has the same sexual orientation, same religion, there is always discrimination. It is a touchy subject.. always! Human nature.

 

[NikonDude]

The problem with gay people is that they want everyone else to think being gay is "cool", like it's some sort of lifestyle. Then they proceed to shove it in your face (so to speak).If two men want to go at it in the privacy of their own homes, then so be it. I could care less. However the problem is that they want to take it outside of the home, the want to turn it into a status.Can we be naked in our own house? Yes. Can we be naked in public? NO! Can we have sex in our own house? Yes. Can we have sex in public? NO! Sexuality is something that should not be public. That's the issue I have with gays. I don't go around saying "I love boobs and butts".I have (not by choice), been around gay people. If they want to act like humans, then I don't mind them. It's the ones that act "flamboyant" that I disgust. I don't like coke, but I don't mind being around a six pack of coke. But if a can of coke started telling me that "coke is cool, your wrong to hate coke", then I'm going to stomp the can flat.

You do have a right to say you like boobs and butts, even if it's impolite. I agree that when people are sexual in public I find it offensive, but that doesn't excuse discrimination, no more than me having a "no Christians" policy because evangelicalism makes me uncomfortable, an ant-isemite because Jews make him or her uncomfortable, or a racist because blacks make him or her uncomfortable.

Refusing service to gays is not discrimination. I can refuse service to people who like the Beatles, I can refuse service to fat people.

The LEGAL definition of discrimination is:
On the basis of race, age, sex, nationality, disability, or religion.

Does it say sexuality? No. Does it say weight? No. Does it say "people who like the beatles"? No it does not.

I can't choose to be white, therefore I can't be discriminated against.
I can't choose to be male, I can't choose to be American. I can't choose to be disabled. I can't choose to be Christian, because I'm born into that religion.

However, one can chose to be gay. So you can be legally discriminated upon choice. If I owned a barber shop, I can refuse service to someone who has a pony tail. It's their choice to have a pony tail.

It's not ALWAYS someone's choice to be gay, since some people are born gay. However since it is a choice, then you can be legally discriminated against it. If I chose not to wear a shirt into McDonald's, then I can be asked to leave, because I chose to not wear a short.

 

[o hey tyler]

LAST CHANCE PEOPLE! The issue is that a photographer was sued for refusing service, NOT about what is right/wrong or indifferent with being green.

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[Robin Usagani]

John, you are discriminating asian people. You didnt put yellow.

LAST CHANCE PEOPLE! The issue is that a photographer was sued for refusing service, NOT about what is right/wrong or indifferent with being homosexual/straight/black/white/green.

 

[unpopular]

The LEGAL definition of discrimination is:
On the basis of race, age, sex, nationality, disability, or religion.

Does it say sexuality? No. Does it say weight? No. Does it say "people who like the beatles"? No it does not.

It depends on jurisdiction, those are federal guidelines. Sme states include sexual orientation depending on state statute or constitutional law.

Oh and I'd be REAL careful about weight. While its trendy and government-endorsed to pick on the fat kid, obesity may be a symptom of a protected disability.

(trying to keep this on topic of discrimination)

 

[NikonDude]

LAST CHANCE PEOPLE! The issue is that a photographer was sued for refusing service, NOT about what is right/wrong or indifferent with being homosexual/straight/black/white/green.

Well I pardon what I said, because I did not get what you said until after I posted. However I'm done talking about the differences.

 

[prodigy2k7]

So gonna be locked soon lol

 

[Haya.H]

Actually i enjoyed this thread.. i dont think there is any reason to ban/close it. No one is crossing the line or attacking one another, some crazy POV's but we are all intitled to that. We can all handle a debate right?

 

[12sndsgood]

I think some issues with this for me, is the fact that because they are a protected group. you "have" to do it. as said, if they were black and klan members came in you wouldn't have to photo them because they are not a "protected" group. so, now does this mean I could tell fat people to go away because i don't photo fat people? does this mean if im a photographer, i could tell a hippy couple to go take a hike because they arn't a "protected" group? so to me it seems a bit unfair to say its okay to say no if your this group. but if your that group its unfair to say no. that to me really isn't equality.

Reality is you can't govern hate. equality laws for me just seem to make people like photoes hate gays more. the people who are okay with gays don't need laws to be okay with gays, and to those that hate gays, laws will never make them like gays.

If I was gay and someone didn't want to work with me, I would go find someone who did, taking someone to court to force them into doing something for you isn't going to make that person like you. its not going to change there opinion of you, its just going to make them hate you even more. just seems entirly counter-productive.

 

[Kerbouchard]

I am also glad I saw this thread. Some time in the future, I may have the same situation come up, and it's definitely food for thought about how I would handle it.