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Real resolution differences between cameras

Yeah I mean this is one of those things you cannot disagree with or be subjective. Numbers are numbers.

Yes a d800 with have a larger file size because it has more mp than a mkIII. 14 million more to be exact.

What is better, who makes better, etc... is up for debate. Hard numbers are not.
 
You can't go by numbers. Numbers are for camera fondlers. Fuji 16 mp crop is in ballpark with Leica FF 24mp. The numbers are not close, but real life shooting does not go by numbers.

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There are some weird freaking pictures in that "camera comparison" page. Proceed past the NSFW with caution. :)

It's funny that Ilovemycam is calling people camera fondlers lol ;)
 
Somewhat related question and I'll look like a fool for asking... but... will cameras with the same MP produce the same resolutions?

Will a 12mp DX have the same resolution as a 12mp FX or a 12mp P&S?
 
Somewhat related question and I'll look like a fool for asking... but... will cameras with the same MP produce the same resolutions?

Will a 12mp DX have the same resolution as a 12mp FX or a 12mp P&S?

Yes. If by resolution you mean the pixel dimensions of the final photo.
 
Somewhat related question and I'll look like a fool for asking... but... will cameras with the same MP produce the same resolutions?

Will a 12mp DX have the same resolution as a 12mp FX or a 12mp P&S?
Not if the image sensors are not the same size.
Image sensor format - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

DX, or APS-C is a lot bigger image sensor (and bigger pixels) than the image sensor (1/2.3") in most P&S cameras.
 
You have to define, carefully, what you're talking about before you can answer the question.

The simple answer is 'yes' but the simple answer is to a question you are almost certainly not asking.
 
obviously the difference between a 36mp camera and a 21mp camera is 15mp. duh.
you don't need differential calculus and a Ouija board to figure that out.

Wait, I don't need a Ouja board?

Crap. Ok, need to get over to Ebay and cancel an order. Might have been nice to know a few hours ago, btw...

Lol
 
Somewhat related question and I'll look like a fool for asking... but... will cameras with the same MP produce the same resolutions?

Will a 12mp DX have the same resolution as a 12mp FX or a 12mp P&S?
Not if the image sensors are not the same size.
Image sensor format - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

DX, or APS-C is a lot bigger image sensor (and bigger pixels) than the image sensor (1/2.3") in most P&S cameras.

Right but the number of pixels is the same, hence the mp number.
 
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Well, considering that the numbers themselves don't really translate to what you can perceive I guess I've always thought of it as being a moot point. Take a shot with a D800 and a 5DIII under most conditions and view it on a computer screen and it will be difficult to impossible to tell the difference. One won't be 39% better, clearer or sharper than the other, in fact they will most likely appear almost identical.

Higher resolution does come into play when your cropping a shot and I suppose it might matter if your printing something huge, but really in my experience under most circumstances you'll be hard pressed to tell the differences in resolution just be looking at the final product.

I know a couple of guys that shoot portraits and one of them tells me he actually prefers to use a lower resolution camera when he can, I guess for a lot of folks a really high resolution shot can cause some issues because it tends to highlight imperfections that a lower resolution shot won't. I can't speak from experience on this one myself, I don't shoot portrait often (rarely if ever really) - but it is something I've heard from a couple of guys who do shoot them regularly.[/QUOTE]


As Mr Robbins indicated, the higher resolution on one camera won't be noticeable when viewed on your computer screen. And when the camera or your post processing program(s) convert the 22 or 36 megapixels to JPG format, there'll be even LESS noticeable difference. Then, display that on your computer screen at, perhaps 1600x1200 resolution (or your HDTV), and the conversion from JPG to that resolution will likely reduce the differential even further.

When I moved from film to digital, I started with a 3mp high-end point and shoot that was more than sufficient for my needs. But as I grew more familiar with post processing and cropping, with only a little cropping, the 'little squares' of each pixel would show up on my screen. So I upgraded to a 5mp camera. The image quality improvement was largely unnoticeable...even when projected on a 12' x 9' screen using a computer projector. But, again, when I cropped more than before, the little squares showed up again. Then I moved to my first DSLR, a 'killer' 8mp Canon 30D. The improvement in image quality from a comparatively 'tiny' sensor to an APS-C size sensor provided better image quality, but only if I really looked closely. But when projected upon the same big screen, the IQ differences were gone.

However, I STILL wanted more 'croppability', as I sometimes change my mind on a shot during post processing, or sometimes discover I failed to notice some unattractive clutter in the background that I need to cut out (crop), etc. Sometimes, even cropping for different sizes for printing, I may get a bit 'zealous' during cropping. So when 8mp became my constraining factor, the camera was replaced by an 18mp Canon 60D. THAT solved my 'heavy handed' cropping issues. Even now, however, when I compare shots taken with my 3mp Canon G3 vs 60D on my computer, the difference in image quality isn't -that- noticeable. I've since upgraded again to a 5Diii and L lenses. Not so much for the IQ improvement (somewhat noticeable), but mostly for the 5Diii highly accurate focusing abilities and low light/high ISO speed performance.

HOWEVER...

One of the unexpected 'surprises' I get every time I've upgraded cameras is the larger amount of hard drive space required to STORE those pictures on my computer! Storing both the original RAW and post-processed JPGs from my 5Diii sometimes takes more than 30MB to store! Oh, and computer 'horsepower' to process them? I've had to go from 1.2ghz single processor 1gb RAM to 4.9ghz over-clocked quad processor 16gb RAM just to maintain similar 'reasonably fast' processing speeds. 36mp? I'd START with an 6 or 8-processor computer!

Also, I'm within a couple of months of having completely filled a 1TB hard drive with pictures! Another not-so-pleasant 'gotchya' is emailing the pictures. I have to reduce their JPG resolution to fit size limitations of some email recipients Internet Providers.

Bottom line, in my estimation, unless I want to be able to produce mural-size or even billboard-size photographs, anything beyond the 22mp I have now is a waste of money, editing time, -and- computer resources.
 
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obviously the difference between a 36mp camera and a 21mp camera is 15mp. duh.
you don't need differential calculus and a Ouija board to figure that out.


It's really very simple




Correct! It's really very simple that the raw numbers alone don't matter.

Consider two automobiles with equal, stated horsepower. Will one be "faster" than the other? That would depend upon other factors in each vehicle. Gear ratios, tire diameter, vehicle weight, etc. Will one be "quicker" than the other? The same factors come into play as with "faster", however, now the amount of horsepower is largely irrelevant since it is torque which moves the car off the line and horsepower which keeps it at a set speed. What is the torque curve of each vehicle? What are the gear ratios which will be affected by that torque curve? If you are driving with the right torque curve and the right gear ratios to maintain the motor's RPM at or near the torque peak, the car will feel perceptibly quicker than another car with less well balanced specs.

If you have one 60 watt lamp, will adding another create twice as much "light"? No, even if both lamps are identical, doubling the number of lumens does not double the actual perceived light level. Certainly not in an enclosed room where bounced light values contribute to the perceived light levels. Therefore, the two lamps would first need to have equal lumen values. Then, the lamps would need to exist within the same space. Change the space or move away from one light source or move both lamps apart and the perceived light levels at any location will also change. Still, doubling the number of lumens does not double the perceived light level. Will a 100 watt amplifier play twice as loud as a 50 watt amp? No, you need to add approximately ten times the "watts" to double the perceived SPL. Everything else equal that is. Is the input Voltage to both amps equal? Is the input sensitivity equal in both amps? How about input impedance? The amp cannot produce output until it has an input signal. If the input signal is lower on one amp, possibly that amp will not even reach full output. (Compare this to light sensitivity of a sensor through a lens of a variable "speed".) The amp alone makes no sound, no watts until it is connected to a load. Watts are a function of Voltage plus Amperage over Impedance. Depending on the very complex load values of most multi-way consumer level speaker systems, two equal "wattage" amps may easily not be equal in perceived or measured output levels. Adding 3dB of electrical sensitivity in the speaker system is generally considered to be the equal of doubling the wattage output of the amplifier. Though, this is a very crude concept of how "power" is actually delivered to a "load". Since the speaker also must operate within a space, electrical power output is not equivalent to acoustic power output unless the speaker systems are identical (not likely to happen in the real world) and the location of the speaker's individual drivers are equally distributed within a constant cubic total space and have equal dispersion into the space. Again, not very likely in the real world. Load a driver into a horn and you've altered the dispersion pattern but not the electrical sensitivity of the driver itself. Add a window or a doorway and the acoustic power output will drop since the reflected energy within the space has now been altered. Move the (largely omni-directional) low frequency driver closer to a reflecting surface and its output will be equal to the direct and reflected energy arriving at the listener's position. Move it close to one reflecting surface (the floor) and it will have "X" power. Move it against two reflecting surfaces (the floor and a wall) and the output will increase by a predictable amount based on frequency and wavelength travel plus distance travelled. Again, against three surfaces (the floor and a corner) and the bass level again increases in a predictable manner. However, due to the difference in wavelength size and the increasingly directional manner in which high frequencies travel in space, the same cannot easily be said of upper frequency content. Place a low frequency sinewave in a too small space and the reflected wave will interfere with the direct wave which will cause a null point (no sound) or a room "node" which will increase the acoustic output in one area of the room but not another. Move your head side to side or up and down by a few inches and, with most consumer speaker systems in most domestic listening rooms, you will have a different perceived sound quality and likely a different "image" of the performers. Move the speakers to a short wall and they will perform differently than when they are on the long wall.

Therefore, looking only at a static spec of "X" megapixels most importantly ignores the rest of the systems within the camera, the monitor and the printing devices. The resolution of the system is considered the output of the system which can only occur when there is a "load" into which the image can be placed. Like the amp without a load, the resolution of the system is largely dependent upon what device is being used to view or print the image. On a two inch smart phone screen, a 2 Mp image will be sufficient. On a 20" diagonal monitor, it will not be adequate. Print to a piece of photo paper and the same issues apply though now the paper becomes yet another determining factor in the final resolution of the image. Certainly, the resolution (pixel count) of the printer will affect the image quality. How is the color mixed. By additive or subtractive means? How many colors can be mixed in the printer? What is the noise/distortion value of the system? Unless you can define the sensitivity of the system to energy from input to output as a raw electrical signal, you cannot define the amount of noise added to the final resolution of the system.

So far in this discussion, I would say no one has paid much attention to how images are actually stored on a pixel. A single pixel accounts for a single color and intensity created by combining the three primary values of RGB and converting them into one electrical signal. It is only when those pixel values are assembled and then reassembled by a processing system that all the pixels together create what we would call an " image" rather than the on-off or 0-1 numerical values of the digital system itself. Therefore, just as with a digital audio recording, say, a 24/196 processor vs a low bit rate MP3, a higher resolution processor will create a higher resolution image by looking at a higher number of samples and doing so more times. None the less, does aliasing occur within the system? Inevitably, it does in a digital system and to the extent it does and is not adequately filtered from the system output, then final image resolution will be reduced. That alone assumes an otherwise perfect transfer from a digital state to and analog output. Not going to happen in the real world. Does the filter affect the electrical phase and time value of the signal output? Again, inevitably any filter will affect output quality in some way. Do reading and processing errors account for a large portion of the final signal processing? If so - and, yes, they will in the real world, then image quality will be affected at the final output according to the amount of error correction and signal buffering which occurs within the system.

If the image were a single overall color and intensity at the plane of the sensor, there would be no difference between pixel counts at the sensor or system capacities overall. (An audio amplifier is tested with a single sinewave frequency yet is tasked with producing multiple frequencies of varying and dynamic intensitiy. How the system is tested and spec'd has little to nothing to do with how it is used.) Once the image contains more than one color and varying degrees of intensity, the ability of the pixel to record each color as a single, uniform color and intensity and then for the system to reconstruct the image is dependent upon the entire system's total accurracy/fideilty. (To the discerning eye or ear, accuracy and fidelity are not complementary values and one can actually interfere with the other. For example, an image can be color correct [accuracy] but dimensionally flat [fidelity]. Virtually any audio component will be flat [accurate] in its frequency output yet systems vary considerably in their musical fidelity.) As with an audio system, the photographic chain is only as strong as its weakest link. A larger pixel amounts to a higher light sensitivity which, in turn, accounts for more variations in the captured image. If all else is equal - and it will not be in real world conditions. Assuming the processing system and the rest of the image processing devices are up the the task, a raw pixel count is reduced to a small - but marketable - part of what makes for a higher resolution final image. It becomes similar to two automobiles with equal stated horsepower. Nice for marketing purposes on paper but not very useful in the real world.
 
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Somewhat related question and I'll look like a fool for asking... but... will cameras with the same MP produce the same resolutions?

Will a 12mp DX have the same resolution as a 12mp FX or a 12mp P&S?

Yes. If by resolution you mean the pixel dimensions of the final photo.

Yeah thats what I meant, D600 is 6016 × 4016 so any other 24mp should have the same 6016 x 4016 resolution is what I was checking to see.

Thanks
 

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