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[Black_Square]

@Destin - thanks for the acknowledgements - appreciated

 

[Black_Square]

I've found that most of the really good artists on TPF have developed a predominant "style", be it tone, lighting, pose, familiarity whatever. I'm thankful that folks like @Black_Square put their work up for review, as the knowledge the neophytes like myself can gain is huge.

These artists always have an ever changing style. Their lighting changes, as well as their toning, posing, etc. I attribute a lot of my improvement to the feedback that I was at times way too stubborn to listen to on this forum. Clearly @Braineack isn't trolling or being abusive and is actually taking the time to give valuable constructive feedback (in comparison to members who are complete jackasses about the way they give critique). You would think that might be seen as a good thing considering most comments on this site are just compliments that don't really help anyone. If we see something to be critical of, it's valuable for more than just the artist who created to piece to speak up about it rather than not, or just saying good job. Calling someone's conductive feedback "irrelevant" seems a bit unnecessary. Black _ Square gave me a critique on the orange skin color in my most recent thread, yet I would never respond by saying his opinion was irrelevant. In fact I was open to changing it, and I think he should be too. The skin looks way too orange in this photo to me.

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As I previously explained, I deliberately colour toned this image to look the way it did. It was not my intention to create an accurate representation of the subject - I very rarely do. Braineack went to great lengths (colour picker screen shot ffs) to demonstrate some apparent colour cast. My response is that going to those extremes is irrelevant, given that i am confirming that there is a delibrate colour cast, which I created in Photoshop. @Braineack in subsequent posts compared my image to a 'zombie' and also called me a wanker. These comments have since been deleted so you may not have seen them. That to my mind is being abusive, plain and simple and when you're forced to revert to that language you have lost the debate and more importantly credibility.

When I commented on the orange tones on your photo, that was in the context of you wanting to create an authentic portrait - to my eye it didn't appear authentic, thus my comment. Given that I am not trying to create an authentic portrait, the fact that you don't like the orange tones in my image (I'm glad you said orange and not green!) is duly noted, but ultimately irrelevant to me as it is ultimately a subjective issue. I like the orange tones, you don't like the orange tones - that's all there is to it. I could very easilly correct the orange/green whatever tone it is, to make it more appealing to the person who critiqued the colour, but then I would be creating an image for them, and not me.

I really dont mind people critiquing my images - as I have said before, you cant please everybody, only try and please yourself.

Right, but if you don't mind it then why would you reply by telling them their opinion is irrelevant? That basically says the opposite of that notion, and is incredibly dismissive of the fact that someone took the time to give you valuable feedback. A few years ago braineack made the exact same zombie critique on one of my best portraits. At first I refused to listen because I was so proud of the portrait, and was very rudely dismissive of his feedback (and probably deserved to be called a wanker for it). Later on down the road I took his advice and re edited the shot before entering it into a state wide competition and won four awards including best portrait and presidents choice. Im grateful for his feedback even though my pride wouldn't let me hear it at the time because I thought my artistic eye was better tuned than his critical eye. Im not saying we have to change every aspect of our work to please others, but allowing their opinions to carry some weight can really help you improve because you're no God with a camera, and neither are we. You may be too blind to your own work in order to see points that need improvement, and I'm only saying this from personal experience of being too arrogant to hear what others are saying.

Also I agree that there is no good reason for name calling in this forum, on any occasion, but don't forget that just the other week you were calling someone else here an idiot for misunderstanding you.
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I'm not sure why my response to this post was deleted, along with other posts made by other individuals. Regardless, here is my response again.

I have no interst in debating this issue with you further. I have already explained at great length my position on this matter, and do not intend to repeat myself again. Read what I have stated previously, and if there is anything that you do not understand or want to discuss further with me then message me.

The thread which you refer to at the end of your post is this one:

Homeless Tony

If you take the time to read it carefully you will see that I did not call anybody an idiot, although I was probably entitled to. Again, if you don't understand something from that thread, or want to discuss things further with me then message me.

It's clear that admin are getting pi$$ed with this pointless saga so I am not responding further to anyone else about issues that do not relate to my original photograph. Let's just keep it about the photography - please.

 

[pixmedic]

If a post is deleted by a mod, perhaps re-posting the same thing isnt the best idea.
if your not sure why a post was deleted, either PM a moderator or you can report a post in the thread and that report is seen by all moderators.

I may be to blame for some of the confusion. I deleted several posts and subsequent quoted posts, but I thought i had posted a response afterwards explaining what was going on. aparantly it did not go through on my phone for some reason and my shift got too busy for me to go back and check things until I got home this morning.

anyway, if everyone could please keep things on track and civil from here on out we would appreciate it.

 

[Black_Square]

Very humbled to be notified that my image was voted picture of the month. Thanks for all the feedback guys, even you @Braineack ;-)

 

[Donde]

Really, really well done. Wow!

 

[Black_Square]

Really, really well done. Wow!

Thanks Donde, much appreciated.