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@limr still a little groggy from the weekend are we??:biggrin:

My son had his third Birthday party Monday night. Another derailed excess. Two children had to be collected in the night by their fathers, one needed hospital treatment at 1.6 Promille Alc content in the blood. We thought the 14th and 15th birthday were bad. Seen from today the past ones were more creative than excessive. After this 16th there will be no 17th or a strictly non alcoholic party.

Alcohol is served to 16 year olds at birthday parties?
 
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@limr still a little groggy from the weekend are we??:biggrin:

My son had his third Birthday party Monday night. Another derailed excess. Two children had to be collected in the night by their fathers, one needed hospital treatment at 1.6 Promille Alc content in the blood. We thought the 14th and 15th birthday were bad. Seen from today the past ones were more creative than excessive. After this 16th there will be no 17th or a strictly non alcoholic party.

Alcohol is served to 16 year olds at birthday parties?

I was thinking the same thing.... Yikes, that's jail time here in the US. I was blessed my kids didn't get into any of that but to be honest, they were to scared of me because I was brutally honest with them. I had a lot of heart to heart talks with them about drugs and alcohol. An area of great, expert experience for me, unfortunately.
 
This assumes that it was adults offering the booze - many a teenager finds ways to gain booze without the knowledge of their parents. Heck my sister had a party a few (well ok quite a few) years back and my brothers had to turn away random strangers (well ok likely kids from the area/same school but not invited); several of which had brought their own.

Parties tend to make some go a little silly/daft/stupid esp once the peer pressure sets in and they all want to party and drink like its shown on the TV where booze flows as fast as water.
 
This assumes that it was adults offering the booze - many a teenager finds ways to gain booze without the knowledge of their parents. Heck my sister had a party a few (well ok quite a few) years back and my brothers had to turn away random strangers (well ok likely kids from the area/same school but not invited); several of which had brought their own.

Parties tend to make some go a little silly/daft/stupid esp once the peer pressure sets in and they all want to party and drink like its shown on the TV where booze flows as fast as water.

It wasn't an assumption it was a question based on what he wrote about the previous and next parties. Made it seem that this had happened before and it could be controlled in the future so I concluded that they knew about the alcohol or at least expected it. Since Frank is always saying how different and more sophisticated Europe is, I wondered if this was another one of those cultural differences. Having never been to Germany I wasn't sure how to take his remark which is why I asked the question.
 
What Overread said, for one. Also, the legal drinking age in Germany and much of Europe is 16 for wine and beer, 18 for spirits.
 
This assumes that it was adults offering the booze - many a teenager finds ways to gain booze without the knowledge of their parents.

That can happen here in the US as well, but if a parent fails to act they could still be held criminally responsible, as well as face potential civil liabilities if the kids get injured.
 
This assumes that it was adults offering the booze - many a teenager finds ways to gain booze without the knowledge of their parents. Heck my sister had a party a few (well ok quite a few) years back and my brothers had to turn away random strangers (well ok likely kids from the area/same school but not invited); several of which had brought their own.

Parties tend to make some go a little silly/daft/stupid esp once the peer pressure sets in and they all want to party and drink like its shown on the TV where booze flows as fast as water.

It wasn't an assumption it was a question based on what he wrote about the previous and next parties. Made it seem that this had happened before and it could be controlled in the future so I concluded that they knew about the alcohol or at least expected it. Since Frank is always saying how different and more sophisticated Europe is, I wondered if this was another one of those cultural differences. Having never been to Germany I wasn't sure how to take his remark which is why I asked the question.

To be honest, I'm not sure if the 'excesses' of the previous birthday parties were about alcohol or just about the craziness of hosting a back of 14-year-olds. I'm still chuckling at myself because the phrase "third birthday party" made me think that it was a party for a 3-year-old and it took me until the end of the post to realize we were talking about teenagers ;)

As for alcohol consumption in Europe, it is thought of somewhat differently than it is here. And people drink differently, too - they might drink more often but not the kind of weekend binge-drinking that Americans will do. My parents would have a glass of wine every night for dinner, for example, and during family celebrations, we generally had more (though to be fair, our celebrations lasted probably about 5-6 hours minimum) but no one really ever got drunk.
 
Good morning.

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