Ugggg I need radio poppers for my speedlights...

[AtuspidsGoddess]

...but man are they pricey!!!!!...anyone know where I can get some pretty decent ones that will do minimum 1/500?...or might this problem be solved somewhat when I trade my D200 for a D700?

 

[reedshots]

Amazon.com: Wireless Studio Flash RT-16 Trigger +4 Receivers - 16 CHAN: Camera & Photo

this what you are looking for?

 

[AtuspidsGoddess]

Amazon.com: Wireless Studio Flash RT-16 Trigger +4 Receivers - 16 CHAN: Camera & Photo

this what you are looking for?

No...looks like review says these do only 1/160 and are for studio lights only...I need them for my sb600...the ones I have looked at that can do 1/8000 are running $175 per transmitter/ receiver...I would need two receivers and 1 transmitter...totaling about $525....yikes!

 

[joealcantar]

Have you considered an off camera flash with a sync cord that way you keep the iTTL function? For one flash at least? it will let you know if you really do like the results and if it is worth the cost of wireless triggers.
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Strobist: 10m Nikon/Canon TTL Cords Now on Ebay
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Shoot well, Joe

 

[Village Idiot]

TTL kind of goes out the window when you start using multiple off camera strobes. Do you really think you need TTL capability? Why do you need a 1/8000 shutter speed?

 

[analog.universe]

I use Cactus V5's, they're rated at 1/1000 but I'm not able to test them that fast. My body claims 1/250, but I've shot at 1/300 with no problem with them. Each unit is a transmitter and a receiver and costs like $35. They're made of really cheap feeling plastic though.. not sure if that matters to you. The electronics seem to perform just fine, but the construction leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[Big Mike]

It's not really the triggers that determine the fastest shutter speed you can use....it's the camera. The max sync speed of those cameras is (I think) 1/250....so with most triggers, you are limited to that. Of course, you can go faster when you use Auto FP (high speed sync)....but that requires the flash to be on-camera or to be used in the wireless CLS system.

Question: Can the flash on the D200 act as a master for your off-camera SB-600s? If so, that's really all you need. Except that you may be limited to positioning your flashes within line-of-sight of the master on-camera flash....and sunny condition may be a hindrance.

So yes, this is where the Radio Poppers will come in. They piggy back the built-in CLS system and use radio communication, giving you more freedom because of the better connection between master & slave units.

But as V.I. is alluding to, if you can live with a max shutter speed of 1/250 while using off-camera flash...then you need not worry about this and can just use a cheaper trigger system.

 

[KmH]

Why do you need to use 1/500 for shutter speed? FP-sync mode?

At full power the SB-600 has a flash duration on about 1/900 and can stop motion just like a 1/900 shutter speed can. As the power level of the SB-600 is reduced the flash duration gets even shorter. At 1/64 power the duration is about 1/24,000 of a second.

When using strobed light, shutter speed is usually no longer used to stop motion since flash duration can do it instead.

If you are shooting outside and want to over power the Sun, the SB-600 doesn't have enough power to do that effectively in FP-sync mode.

 

[AtuspidsGoddess]

It's not really the triggers that determine the fastest shutter speed you can use....it's the camera. The max sync speed of those cameras is (I think) 1/250....so with most triggers, you are limited to that. Of course, you can go faster when you use Auto FP (high speed sync)....but that requires the flash to be on-camera or to be used in the wireless CLS system.

Question: Can the flash on the D200 act as a master for your off-camera SB-600s? If so, that's really all you need. Except that you may be limited to positioning your flashes within line-of-sight of the master on-camera flash....and sunny condition may be a hindrance.

So yes, this is where the Radio Poppers will come in. They piggy back the built-in CLS system and use radio communication, giving you more freedom because of the better connection between master & slave units.

But as V.I. is alluding to, if you can live with a max shutter speed of 1/250 while using off-camera flash...then you need not worry about this and can just use a cheaper trigger system.

Why do you need to use 1/500 for shutter speed? FP-sync mode?

At full power the SB-600 has a flash duration on about 1/900 and can stop motion just like a 1/900 shutter speed can. As the power level of the SB-600 is reduced the flash duration gets even shorter. At 1/64 power the duration is about 1/24,000 of a second.

When using strobed light, shutter speed is usually no longer used to stop motion since flash duration can do it instead.

If you are shooting outside and want to over power the Sun, the SB-600 doesn't have enough power to do that effectively in FP-sync mode.

Let me explain my issue I was having and maybe that will help...tell me if I'm just lost here...I was shooting this past weekend and tested the sb600 with my d200...with the 50mmG on it and it seemed to sync just fine...then when I went to shoot...people...I had to use the 18-55 because I did not have the room I needed to use the 50mm...we were shooting in a living room...so when I set up the lights...line of sight hindrance...no 1....they didn't go when I needed them to...and no 2 - the flash on my camera would go at the same time my shutter would go, then the sb600s would go once they detected the flash from the d200...so what was happening was that the sb600 were going off after the shutter had already gone...hence...I was not getting the light I wanted...so is it my camera in the wrong settings?....my sb600s in the wrong settings, or me?

 

[KmH]

What D200 shooting mode were you using? P, S, M, or A?
What mode was the SB-600 set to?
Were you using CLS in Commander mode to control the SB-600, because if your pop up flash was up you weren't using a radio trigger.

It sounds like the SB-600 was triggering on pre-flashes from the D200 and was going off before the shutter opened.

I use my camera in manual mode, the speedlight(s) in manual mode and these radio triggers: ISHOOT, PT-04 C Wireless Remote Radio Flash Trigger, with 3 receivers.

 

[Big Mike]

That's what I thought as well....but I didn't think that the SB-600 had an optical trigger....am I wrong?

 

[KmH]

You're right, in so far as an SB-600 can only be triggered optically by using Nikon's infrared CLS signal generated by Commander mode, and not optically just from the flash of a pop up or speedlight.

The SB-700/SB-800/SB-900 has what is known as SU-4 Mode that can trigger off the flash from any strobe light.

 

[AtuspidsGoddess]

It's not really the triggers that determine the fastest shutter speed you can use....it's the camera. The max sync speed of those cameras is (I think) 1/250....so with most triggers, you are limited to that. Of course, you can go faster when you use Auto FP (high speed sync)....but that requires the flash to be on-camera or to be used in the wireless CLS system.

Question: Can the flash on the D200 act as a master for your off-camera SB-600s? If so, that's really all you need. Except that you may be limited to positioning your flashes within line-of-sight of the master on-camera flash....and sunny condition may be a hindrance.

So yes, this is where the Radio Poppers will come in. They piggy back the built-in CLS system and use radio communication, giving you more freedom because of the better connection between master & slave units.

But as V.I. is alluding to, if you can live with a max shutter speed of 1/250 while using off-camera flash...then you need not worry about this and can just use a cheaper trigger system.

What D200 shooting mode were you using? P, S, M, or A?
What mode was the SB-600 set to?
Were you using CLS in Commander mode to control the SB-600, because if your pop up flash was up you weren't using a radio trigger.

It sounds like the SB-600 was triggering on pre-flashes from the D200 and was going off before the shutter opened.

I use my camera in manual mode, the speedlight(s) in manual mode and these radio triggers: ISHOOT, PT-04 C Wireless Remote Radio Flash Trigger, with 3 receivers.

I was shooting in manual mode - M and using commander mode in my camera...sb600 was set to receive...can't recall setting...I'll have to check...but yes, it was going...it just wasn't going at the same time the shutter was going...so no light....my fiance researched and said that my d200's commander mode is not fast enough... ...my question to him was...then why was it that when the 50mm G was on the camera, it was going at the same time, and now that the 18-55mm is on there, it's off sync?...does the lens have anything to do with it?

 

[AtuspidsGoddess]

You're right, in so far as an SB-600 can only be triggered optically by using Nikon's infrared CLS signal generated by Commander mode, and not optically just from the flash of a pop up or speedlight.

The SB-700/SB-800/SB-900 has what is known as SU-4 Mode that can trigger off the flash from any strobe light.

I may have to check on this again...but I recall the sb600s not going off unless the pop-up flash was up?

 

[jands]

You're right, in so far as an SB-600 can only be triggered optically by using Nikon's infrared CLS signal generated by Commander mode, and not optically just from the flash of a pop up or speedlight.

The SB-700/SB-800/SB-900 has what is known as SU-4 Mode that can trigger off the flash from any strobe light.

I may have to check on this again...but I recall the sb600s not going off unless the pop-up flash was up?

That is correct. What KmH is saying is that not any pop-up flash or speedlight will trigger the SB600, only the CLS signal from the camera (while the pop-up flash is up).