Wholly C&C Batman!

[cgipson1]

i vote for two..

sock puppet. big time.


Michael Jackson Sock Puppet Theatre - YouTube

CaptainObvious1 has only two (2) posts... both attacking BlackRose... sounds like a personal agenda.

 

[unpopular]

As if we were all so humble and down to earth when we were in our early 20s. Because I know I was!

 

[Joel_W]

Well, I made it through all 10 pages. I'm new here with less then 300 posts, and a few dozen posted photographs. I didn't join because I was a newbie photographer looking for free instruction. I've been involved with this hobby on and off for about 50 years. Even sold some photographs through a agent back in the 80's, but never considered myself good enough to earn a solid living at it, so it's remained a hobby interest, but one that I take seriously, and try to work at improving my skills both visually and technically (to any older person, all this high tech equipment and programs isn't the easiet things to learn and master).

I joined ATF because I wanted a place to not only to share my photographs (mostly florals), view others work, and have some photographic discussions, but also to have a sense of community. Other sites I've been a member of like Ephotozine is all about just posting and voting on which photos you like. There is very little give and take in the forum sections.

I've been putting CC's welcome in all my photo posts, just so that anyone who feels they want to comment, and or critique can, and it's welcome. I don't feel that I need to have a dissertation on every photograph I post, or on most that I view. People do like praise. People do like to hear that they've accomplished something positive, not just what's wrong with it, and why. Most of my pictures don't get many comments, but the threads are looked at. And as I said before, that's all I have the right to expect.

I was somewhat taken back by the attitude of many of the more seasoned members, who seem to feel that it's their "list responsibility" to offer CC's whenever possible to those newbies that ask for them. If you don't feel you want to because of the influx of new members, or for any other reason, then just don't. There is really no need to have a thread of 10 pages telling us that over and over again.

It's only human nature for newbies who just got a camera and thought that this would be a great hobby simply because of what a digital camera can do these days, to jump on the bandwagon, thinking that their work is wonderful because it's the best pictures they've ever taken. All they've most likely ever seen are snapshots, and have no real idea of the difference between a snapshot and a good photograph is. Most have probably never even heard the words composition, exposure, and subject matter as it relates to a photograph before. So they either want to learn, are willing to put in the time and effort, or quickly pack it in. It's there decision. I venture to say that a majority will pack it in, but the remaining ones who ask for help in a beginners forum should get that help. If you've elected to hang in this forum, then helping newbies must be one of your reasons to do so.

 

[KmH]

Great, now we have two threads whining about critiquing!


A big issue I see with new members asking for critique, is that so many of them seem to need information spoon fed to them. There are so many books written on all subjects photogaphy, yet helpful people like MTvision have to rewrite those books for every person they respond to. I see many people who seem to never look at other threads, just their own. There is a wealth of information in the numerous CC posts that everyone can learn from. I think it's necessary for beginners to read as many CC posts as they can. In terms of composition, this is a great way to learn by example. There are infinite possibilities in regards to composition, and the more examples you see, and file away in your head, the bigger the pool you can draw from when you are faced with each and every new photographic opportunity that comes along.

I have said it before, and I'll say it again...the onus is on you to learn. The information is out there in many forms. You will not learn very much if your sole guidance is coming here and posting a picture every day and asking for CC. As has been said before as well, making a serious effort in self critique shows other posters willing to help that you are serious, and that you are learning to "see". The more you give, the more you get.

I think all new people should be told to get the book "the photographers eye" or "learning to see creatively" and asked not to post again till they have read it.

The other thing that is insane, are the number of people that tell new people to disregard the theories of composition and elements of design. It's the fundamentals! Once you learn them, understand them, and can apply them, then you are free to challenge them!

Mods, please make this a sticky.

 

[unpopular]

its just the interntz

 

[Dao]

- I do not have problem with a lot of people post photos for CC since my browser has a back button.
- I only CC for those post I like to CC. It did not really bother me if you post photos for CC and did make an effort.

 

[unpopular]

- I only CC for those post I like to CC. It did not really bother me if you post photos for CC and did make an effort.

I kind of like those posts. They make me feel like an awesome photographer! :thumbup:

 

[Robin Usagani]

I am not sure how I am still active here with all of the abuse I got from gsgary, derrel, kmh, bitter, kmh, kundalini, etc. (missing a few people) when I was brand new 20 months ago LMAO. Made my skin a lot thicker I guess .

 

[rexbobcat]

I am not sure how I am still active here with all of the abuse I got from gsgary, derrel, kmh, bitter, kmh, kundalini, etc. (missing a few people) when I was brand new 20 months ago LMAO. Made my skin a lot thicker I guess .

Eventually you become desensitized to the internet hate machine. After that you slowly begin to lose your humanity.

 

[unpopular]

And then you have no choice but to become a professional!

In fact, I am meeting with my voc rehab counselor today to talk about an internship. Yay! My Soul is gone!

 

[KmH]

I just finished counting 26 threads (out of 40), requesting C&C on a total of 73 photos here in the Beginners forum section.

That all adds up to asking other forum members to do a lot of work.

Consequently, few are actually getting any worthwhile C&C.

So what do you suggest we do?

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Do some reading. This sticky thread is on the Beginners forum page: http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...rum-photo-gallery/123160-tutorial-thread.html

I repeatedly post these links, often several times a day:
Digital Photography Tutorials

10 Top Photography Composition Rules | Photography Mad

Advanced Composition -- Part I

I have a link to my Blog - How Do I Use My Digital SLR - down there in my siggy ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓

 

[MLeeK]

Damn! I should never sleep. I miss so much here!

 

[Overread17 5]

Damn! I should never sleep. I miss so much here!

Yeah I know the feeling = its worse when I have to weed through it too

I need some kind of personal pet/slave to do my summaries of threads longer than 3 pages for me!!

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Damn! I should never sleep. I miss so much here!

You miss so much, yet nothing at all.

Besides, think about how cranky you would become.

 

[MLeeK]

Damn! I should never sleep. I miss so much here!

You miss so much, yet nothing at all.

Besides, think about how cranky you would become.

Ahhhhh, yes... But I am such great entertainment when I am cranky!