Wholly C&C Batman!

[Bitter Jeweler]

But my point is they don't have to show you ANY effort!

Exactly.

And my point is, if YOU can't be bothered to give much, don't expect much in return, and then complain about it.

I'm saying that I think certain people could care less about the amount of effort you put into CC. If they're content just posting aimless photos and expecting minimilist, pointful, unhelpful CC then who cares? I'm not saying it's a good way to be if you want to grow, I'm just saying if they're content with that, they have a full right to be.

Again. EXACTLY!

But what we get here repeatedly, REPEATEDLY, are people who post a pic or 10 with no information, no indication of what THEY think about their images, what THEY think works, and what doesn't, bump the thread and whine that 76 people have viewed the thread and nobody responded.

How can I teach you something, when I don't even know what you know, or think.

 

[Tracybug]

Well I personally have learned ALOT from people CC'ing my photo's! I've learned about lighting, I've learned about where to focus, I've learned how to create an appealing bokeh in my photo's and most importantly I have learned to watch for rocks growing out of my daughter's head!!!! That is just a few off the top of my head!!!!

 

[Ballistics]

For those looking for a good place to post a pic to get a good solid and quick​ C&C... this thread is the place to do it.

 

[Vtec44]

For those looking for a good place to post a pic to get a good solid and quick​ C&C... this thread is the place to do it.

I like the way you think! Let me know and post some pix...

 

[Derrel]

I'm sorry but this is different then having thick skin after being given ****ty, mean spirited CC. This is an uninstigated attack dedicated To telling the newcomers that they're idiots and a waste of your valuable time. Why would someone post after that?

Overreact much these days???

 

[unpopular]

Overreact much these days???

 

[MissCream]

Well of course no one has to show effort. PhotoGuy did just that and guess what? Someone with the same screen name as you started a thread mocking his photography .

I would also like to hear her reply to this...

 

[blackrose89]

Well of course no one has to show effort. PhotoGuy did just that and guess what? Someone with the same screen name as you started a thread mocking his photography .

I would also like to hear her reply to this...

I did not make fun of his photos, I mocked his attitude after he insulted/harrased me and othersthrough PM, repeatedly instigated confrontation and tried to get people banned and made a *hit list* of people were going to be in trouble for not liking his photos which he PMed to poeple. He did not get what he got from me and others because he simply didn't take advice (which is what is being discussed here) And I already specified IN THIS THREAD that if you are nasty/rude when people give you CC (as PG) you get what you get.

 

[Ballistics]

Well of course no one has to show effort. PhotoGuy did just that and guess what? Someone with the same screen name as you started a thread mocking his photography .

I would also like to hear her reply to this...

I did not make fun of his photos, I mocked his attitude after he insulted/harrased me and othersthrough PM, repeatedly instigated confrontation and tried to get people banned and made a *hit list* of people were going to be in trouble for not liking his photos which he PMed to poeple. He did not get what he got from me and others because he simply didn't take advice (which is what is being discussed here) And I already specified IN THIS THREAD that if you are nasty/rude when people give you CC (as PG) you get what you get.

Is this really being brought back up.... again?

 

[blackrose89]

I would also like to hear her reply to this...

I did not make fun of his photos, I mocked his attitude after he insulted/harrased me and othersthrough PM, repeatedly instigated confrontation and tried to get people banned and made a *hit list* of people were going to be in trouble for not liking his photos which he PMed to poeple. He did not get what he got from me and others because he simply didn't take advice (which is what is being discussed here) And I already specified IN THIS THREAD that if you are nasty/rude when people give you CC (as PG) you get what you get.

Is this really being brought back up.... again?

I agree

 

[Demers18]

The sense of entitlement drives me insane and it's part of why I avoid things. And this will be where I open my rather large mouth...

No one is entitled to a damn thing by being a member here. I certainly give a LOT more than I get out of this forum. I am not paid to do that and frankly, a thank you is the least people can do. It takes a LOT of time and effort to give the CC. We take that time from other things we could be doing and give it freely. We don't expect anything but respect in return.
Which seems to RARELY come from the new members.
Although... I have to say I got a "thank you" in my inbox today from someone who is only a lurker. That was cool. The sender is learning something from our posts even though they don't post anything and took the time to say THANK YOU. More than most people do in a forum!

MLeek, I will speak for myself here but I'm sure that a lot of people have the same opinion as me and really appreciate the CC you provide. You are straight forward and concise. You are not afraid to speak your mind and to me, that is real CC. That is the type of CC you learn from, the type that makes you rethink your image and how you could have done it better. There was a reason I PM'ed you to ask you for CC and I only hope that you will continue to CC my images.

If this post is anything, it's a THANK YOU! Thank you to those of you that DO take the time to CC us noobs or whatever status you may have, but keep in mind that the more we learn the quicker can help with the CC on these boards and actually be able to give back to the community that has help us grow along the way.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Is this really being brought back up.... again?

Yup!

TPF is OCD like that.

 

[MissCream]

Is this really being brought back up.... again?

Nope just trying to understand when and why alienating certain people or groups is okay to her.

 

[naptime]

calgon take me awaaaaaaaaaaaayyy


ok. i'm a newbie. i ask questions. i learn. i go out and do self research. i save the links that people here have given. and i read them. and in those journeys , i find other links that i save, read, and learn. and then i come back and post many of those for other newbies.

as a newbie, who has both asked for c&c and who knows very little...

i did NOT take THIS thread a personal attack on me.

i took it for exactly what it is.

there ARE people who are new that post pics, ask for c&c , but really have no desire whatsoever to hear c&c or to learn from it.

they are actually looking for "hey that's great. congratulations on your new Christmas present, you did an awesome job. you rock. now go take more for our viewing pleasure. soon!!"


blackrose, i see where you are coming from. you don't feel it's an issue. if they want to post, let them post. to a degree, i agree with you. they aren't hurting anyone. their posts are harmless to some extent. however, many of those people then complain that they don't get coddled or dont get c&c at all.

it also then makes it difficult for those that do give c&c, because there are soooooo many c&c threads, that they can't possibly keep up with them all.

and it wouldn't be a huge deal if they were all for real. but many of them are just looking for a pat on the back.


look through all the c&c threads since Christmas. look at how many were made with their first post..

so some of these folks couldn't even be bothered to create an intro thread or tell us about themselves.

further more, look at some of the post counts now. nothing. still no activity. they swoop in, ask for an answer or a pat on the back, then swoop out never to return.

imo, that's what the point of this thread is for.

if you can't take the time to introduce yourself, let people know what you thought of your own image, what you are trying to learn, etc.. then why expect folks on the board to take the time to give you c&c.


it's NOT just here.

i belong to many forums for many different topics. and all have the same issues when new people join, and want some info or help with their first post, and then they never return to the board.


imo, this thread was NOT directed at people that want to learn, and are doing someone on their own to do just that.

but you cant learn ONLY by asking questions on the board. you've got to get out there and read other sources too.

and some folks WONT.

like, that one GUY who first name i won't mention.

he asked for c&c every day. but had no desire to attempt to learn. he just wanted a shoulder slap.

 

[Ballistics]

Is this really being brought back up.... again?

Nope just trying to understand when and why alienating certain people or groups is okay to her.

For the record, I'm with you. I established my disagreement with her actions and motives in her thread, and then another thread was opened up about the same topic, and then a third.
Here's my take... not that anyone gives a ****, but here it is:

People forget where they come from, people forget that they were beginners, and people forget that there are actual people making these posts so the comments do get out of hand from time to time.
Everyone is well aware of how a person unfamiliar with C&C may react to a critique. Especially if it is vague. People are told they need thick skin, but what about the people that are interacting with brand new members?
Who's to say that they shouldn't inform individuals of what a proper C&C will consists of? You get to a point where you want to get to the point, a person has been here for a while and you should be able to hear... "#1 is not good because" and learn from it. It goes both ways, both the critiquer and the critiquee (yes both made up words) need to be prepared. Don't get me wrong, there's guilty parties on both sides of the coin. There's people who overreact, and there are people who really just say not nice things and call it constructive criticism. This is a community, and the people here are here to help, or be helped and hopefully both. There are individuals in this thread specifically who are amazing people/teachers/guiders that really benefit the community and I have personally learned a thing or 2. Not naming any names, they know who they are, they know what they do, and someone else will make a thread about them and kiss all of their asses individually anyway.

In photoguys scenario, I legitimately believe that he was not the sole cause of his demise. He got railroaded, and blackrose was the conductor. Most of the new members jumped down his throat, some older members even said things that were out of line, and it got ugly fast. I also believe now that I think back, that he was young. Probably around 15 or 16 or so. But people took his word that he was 31 (even though he definitely did not act like it), and tore him apart. It is what it is though, I don't have hard feelings for anyone involved... it's over and it's done with, and hopefully blackrose took that as a learning experience.