Wholly C&C Batman!

[MLeeK]

I don't think most people have a problem with people pointing out problems with their photo's but like I said in my other post....This thread makes ME....as someone NEW here and someone who HAS asked for advice & suggestions timid to ask for advice in the future....It personally makes me wonder if maybe I am being a pest by asking for advice and I'm only being honest, it can and will make people who are truly only trying to better themselves feel uncomfortable asking for advice here. That is just MY opinion and only speak for myself....

That is the problem here... There ARE those who have a real problem with pointing out where improvement can be made. LOTS of them. We see them all of the time. Just read the archives and you'll find hundreds. People like you are the rarity that we are trying to ferret out.
That is where we are weeding out those who are like you who actually want to improve and the ones who want us to blow sunshine and roses up their butt.

This forum is rough sometimes. You have to have a backbone and you have to let things roll off your back or you will hate it here. BitterJeweler and I had a hell of a great go round. I stood my ground and he pushed and pushed it. We now have a great understanding. If he had chased me off who would have benefitted from that? Him? No. Me? No. He pushed me until we found our footing. He'll harass me from time to time and we'll all laugh.

So, where are you going to stand next?

 

[MLeeK]

The point of the post:

Wait. There is a point to any of this?!

No, not really.

Well, maybe not Keith's! LOL!

 

[MLeeK]

Let's just say I'm already getting PMs from people who say they won't be asking for CC anymore due to this post. People who really are trying sooooooo.... yeh......

Now that's just insanity. if people are letting some anonymous person on the internet intimidate them in a post that has nothing to do with them in any personal way then there is a problem to begin with. You've been here long enough to know that and I am pretty sure you've even said it at one time or another. It's the internet. Ignore the azzholes and look for the good. If you look for those you can learn from and take their advice and ignore the garbage? You'll do great. If you can't do that you probably shouldn't be learning and posting your work on the internet anyway because there will ALWAYS be a troll to tell them they suck-literally-for no reason other than that they can type. If your skin is that thin then this is NOT the place for you to learn and you probably would do better in a classroom where a "well respected teacher" can tell you that you suck and be straight up sh!tty about it if they want to.

I'm sorry but this is different then having thick skin after being given ****ty, mean spirited CC. This is an uninstigated attack dedicated To telling the newcomers that they're idiots and a waste of your valuable time. Why would someone post after that?

WHERE did anyone say that? YOU just said it.

 

[blackrose89]

The point of the post:
Yes, we expect you to put something into this if we are going to sit down and donate an hour and a half to helping you grow as a photographer without making you do the research, read the books and take the class. If that is too much to expect? OH WELL.

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But my point is they don't have to show you ANY effort! This is where I am talking about sense of entitlement. Guess what? They can post whatever the hell want and not have to justify it. There are NO guidelines on how much effort, how much they care, respect CC. They don't OWE you anything, anymore then you OWE them CC. Both sides are expecting way too much from each other. If people don't care about moving forward I really don't believe it's a monstrocity like everyone else seems to. The level they want to take it to is their business.

 

[tirediron]

I'm sorry but this is different then having thick skin after being given ****ty, mean spirited CC. This is an uninstigated attack dedicated To telling the newcomers that they're idiots and a waste of your valuable time. Why would someone post after that?

Photography is art. Art is subjective ('though ideally C&C should be objective, it rarely is). Good art is that which causes and emotional reaction. If you're going to be upset because your art causes an emotional reaction, you're in the wrong hobby.

 

[tirediron]

The point of the post:

Wait. There is a point to any of this?!

No, not really.

Well, maybe not Keith's! LOL!

Yeah, but his hat covers it up!

 

[MLeeK]

Then I guess I don't have to show any effort to them either. AND THAT IS THE POINT.

 

[MLeeK]

Wait. There is a point to any of this?!

No, not really.

Well, maybe not Keith's! LOL!

Yeah, but his hat covers it up!

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

But my point is they don't have to show you ANY effort!

Exactly.

And my point is, if YOU can't be bothered to give much, don't expect much in return, and then complain about it.

 

[Tracybug]

I don't think most people have a problem with people pointing out problems with their photo's but like I said in my other post....This thread makes ME....as someone NEW here and someone who HAS asked for advice & suggestions timid to ask for advice in the future....It personally makes me wonder if maybe I am being a pest by asking for advice and I'm only being honest, it can and will make people who are truly only trying to better themselves feel uncomfortable asking for advice here. That is just MY opinion and only speak for myself....

That is the problem here... There ARE those who have a real problem with pointing out where improvement can be made. LOTS of them. We see them all of the time. Just read the archives and you'll find hundreds. People like you are the rarity that we are trying to ferret out.
That is where we are weeding out those who are like you who actually want to improve and the ones who want us to blow sunshine and roses up their butt.

This forum is rough sometimes. You have to have a backbone and you have to let things roll off your back or you will hate it here. BitterJeweler and I had a hell of a great go round. I stood my ground and he pushed and pushed it. We now have a great understanding. If he had chased me off who would have benefitted from that? Him? No. Me? No. He pushed me until we found our footing. He'll harass me from time to time and we'll all laugh.

So, where are you going to stand next?

I guess I took it a bit to heart but mostly because I am new here and have asked for alot of help....but that advice has helped me!!!! So I'm going to feel good that I AM learning and keep reading and keep snapping!!! Don't be surprised when I reach out for more advice....because I truly believe that the people here are a wonderful piece of the puzzle to help me become better!!!!

 

[Tee]

But my point is they don't have to show you ANY effort! This is where I am talking about sense of entitlement. Guess what? They can post whatever the hell want and not have to justify it. There are NO guidelines on how much effort, how much they care, respect CC. They don't OWE you anything, anymore then you OWE them CC. Both sides are expecting way too much from each other. If people don't care about moving forward I really don't believe it's a monstrocity like everyone else seems to. The level they want to take it to is their business.

Well of course no one has to show effort. PhotoGuy did just that and guess what? Someone with the same screen name as you started a thread mocking his photography. Look, the point I'm taking from this thread is there has to be a little give and take. Nobody has to do squat if they don't want to but if someone is truly interested in learning they have to put a little effort into their part if they want to get something out out of this forum. Showing up, posting 10 pics and saying "tell me how to get better" is akin to some random member asking us what the best DSLR is with no background information.

 

[MLeeK]

Glad I could be the entertainment tonight everyone, but I am exhausted... I'll be back to start the dog and pony show again tomorrow! G'night everyone!

 

[blackrose89]

But my point is they don't have to show you ANY effort!

Exactly.

And my point is, if YOU can't be bothered to give much, don't expect much in return, and then complain about it.

I'm saying that I think certain people could care less about the amount of effort you put into CC. If they're content just posting aimless photos and expecting minimilist, pointful, unhelpful CC then who cares? I'm not saying it's a good way to be if you want to grow, I'm just saying if they're content with that, they have a full right to be.

 

[bentcountershaft]

But they're seldom content with it because they whine that no one is helping them.

 

[Vtec44]

I don't critique much unless I have something concrete to say. Typically, I let the more experience photographers voice their opinion due to the fact that I m a noob. I do try once in a while but I'm not as articulate as the veteran members.